[AT] RE: [AJD] Delay in messages

Larry D. Goss rlgoss at evansville.net
Wed Feb 1 15:08:31 PST 2006


There's just one little problem, Dean.  If you send two identical
messages to the same location just a few seconds apart, there is nothing
in the system that will direct the message via the same route.
Depending on the time of day and the load on the system at the time the
packets hit the network, they can be delivered through drastically
different nodes and take much different amounts of time to arrive, be
re-assimilated into the proper order, and appear in your mailbox.  If
one packet gets waylaid for any reason, you won't see or even be aware
that the rest of the message is sitting and waiting for delivery.
That's one of the situations that can happen and cause responses to your
messages to arrive before the original is echoed back to your computer.
Communicating through the ATIS list is different from regular email
because it all has to go to a single hub rather than selecting its own
route based on the domain of a single user.

Getting the "water out of the gas" as you put it, could be as complex as
requiring that the ATIS hub be relocated by 1000 or 2000 miles to make
sure it doesn't have to go through the bottlenecks associated with nodes
in the southeastern seaboard. 

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dean VP
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:11 PM
To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
Cc: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: [AT] RE: [AJD] Delay in messages

I think it appropriate to use an analogy to describe this situation. And
is
intended to help improve and continue our resource here on ATIS which is
much appreciated.

The Analogy:

"There are several of us who have asked fellow list members for help
because
our tractors are not running good. In typical list style various members
suggest we may have ignition problems, bad points, bad coils, sticking
valves, poor compression, plugged air filters, timing incorrect, float
sticking, incorrect settings on the carburetor, etc, etc. After much
analysis and diagnostic work we find out that we have all been getting
our
gas at the same place and the gas we have been putting in our tractors
contains 30% water which is the primary cause of all our problems." 

Relative to delayed or non-existent messages, several of us have
complained
of similar ATIS messaging problems but we all use different ISP's for
our
emails. And typically are not experiencing similar email delays from
other
sources. However, there is a common central feeding source for these
delayed
ATIS emails that our ISP's are having difficulty handling. I suggest
it's
time to get the water out of the gasoline. 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

Forbidden fruits create many jams!

www.deerelegacy.com

http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm



-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
Spencer Yost
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:39 PM
To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: Re: [AJD] Delay in messages

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 1/30/2006 at 10:16 AM Dean VP wrote:
>The delay in messages on ATIS is getting to the point it is
intolerable. 
>

It isn't ATIS.  All email providers are free to handle a message with a
Precedence header value of "list" any way they choose.  AOL and other
choose to defer messages whenever they are busy, like the value is
"bulk".
Others handle just like "Normal" precedence mail.   Look at the header
of
the messages and you'll see the difference in the Precedence value
between
list message and emails from your friends.  By the way, the lack of a
Precedence header implies "Normal".

By the way, some list operators improperly label their mail "Normal" so
this doesn't happen.  Assigning a precedence value incorrectly to speed
processing is poor form and smacks of childishness and I certainly don't
do
it and won't do it. 

Specifically Dean, your email provider is deferring messages.  Here is
the
queue file entry:

k0V32b7J014241     1705 Mon Jan 30 22:02
<at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
                 (Deferred)
    
                                         <deanvp at att.net>
    
                                         <jthall at worldnet.att.net>
    

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



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