[AT] Ford built their own 2110 / Haban mower

[Mike Sloane]

Stuart Harner wrote:
> Kevin,
> 
> Interesting thoughts on the backhoe.  I had wondered about the 
> usefulness, but since there are so many outfits selling 3pt backhoes and 
> CadPlans has several models, I figured it must work OK.  Does the 
> backhoe want to pivot on the 3pt and put side loads on the arms?  I 
> wonder if I could build something that attaches to the drawbar to 
> compensate.  I really like the idea of being able to "dump" the backhoe 
> off and not have to leave anything on the tractor that would be in the 
> way of other tasks.
The Woods three-point backhoe for the 2000/4000 series tractors also 
come with a bracket that bolts to the final drive to keep the whole 
thing rigid. The bracket stays with the tractor when you remove the 
backhoe.
> 

> 
> The 2110 reminds me a lot of the 8N, the way the controls are laid out 
> and their action.
Actually, it is more like the 600/800 series, which it really is, but 
even those models owe a lot to their N heritage.

>  There is a lever on the right side of the rear end, 
> between the 3pt control and the ring gear.  I figured out that this 
> disables the 3pt.
More likely that is the draft control.

> 
> There is a hyd. pump to run the 3 pt. and there is a strange shaped 
> rectangular cover bolted on top of the rear housing, just in front of 
> and below the seat.  It looks like this may be a place to tap into the 
> hydraulics.
Yes.

>  Question is, will the existing pump and reservoir have 
> enough capacity to run anything else but the 3pt.?
As mentioned in a previous note, the pump puts out 4-5 gal./minute at 
2500 psi. You will have to decide if that is adequate. (Most folks would 
say it is not.) A LOT of 2000/4000 Ford tractors got loaders (Ford and 
other makes) over the years, and many of them used pumps driven from the 
front of the crankshaft. I would also caution that, if the tractor 
doesn't have power steering, any Ford will be really hard to steer with 
a loader on the front. And I would strongly suggest checking out all the 
steering and front axle components - tie rod ends, knuckle 
bushings/bearings, steering box, pivot pin/bushing, etc. - before adding 
the weight of a loader.
> 
> The weirdest part of this little 2110 is the really REALLY wide tires on 
> the rear.  They are low profile turf tires and the rims are designed to 
> not go back over the brake drums so the entire rim/tire arrangement is 
> outside of the brakes.  This gives the rear end a total width of 96"!  
> Great for stability when mowing, but difficult to transport or get into 
> tight spaces.
That may be an "LCG" version (Low Center of Gravity) specifically sold 
for mowing. The picture I have shows one with dual turf tires in the 
back, but that was in the days before the wide rims and turf tires 
became available.
> 
> I need to find out a lot more about this model of Ford before I make a 
> decision.  I can envision a way to make a quick attach type bracket to 
> mount on the frame and be able to put a small loader and maybe a backhoe 
> stabilizer frame on it.  I guess if the tractor could handle the loader 
> hyd. but not a hoe, a separate PTO driven pump for the hoe would not be 
> all that bad of a thing either.
Generally speaking, you would be much better off with a PTO hydraulic 
pump for the backhoe. I see them advertised in Northern 
<http://www2.northerntool.com/product/31754_31754.htm> and other 
sources, and they generally provide much better flow rates (like 23 
GPM!) than the 2100's internal system. But you are going to pay around 
$400 for the pump, and then you still need valves, hoses, reservoir, 
filter, cylinders, etc. While building a backhoe might be a fun and 
interesting project, you might do a well to find a used hoe and perform 
the usual replacement of hoses and welding of cracks for a lot less 
money. While others have cautioned against using a three point hoe, if 
it is only used for light work, and it has its own stabilizers, it might 
work out for you. I sold a used Alps three point backhoe to a local YMCA 
camp to use on their IH 400 series tractor, and it worked out very well 
for them  - cleaning ditches and creek bottoms, not doing foundation 
work in rocky soil.

Mike
> 


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