[Steam-engine] Re: How many remain?

[Eric Applegate]

ISSES is a good resourse.  Glad to hear it.

Eric

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "James Hefner" <james1 at pernet.net>
Reply-To: Steam-engine mailing list <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date:  Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:02:28 -0500

>No; the International Stationary Steam Engine Society (ISSES) is maintaining 
>a list of stationary engines worldwide.  Rather than duplicate their 
>efforts, I have joined the Society and am contributing to the Society. 
>
>The "Surviving World Steam Project" is meant to cover the rest of the steam 
>engine scene not covered by ISSES. 
>
> -James Hefner
>Hebrews 10:20a 
>
>Surviving World Steam Project
>http://www.survivingworldsteam.com 
>
>Eric Applegate writes: 
>
>> James,
>> Does you list not include stationary engines? 
>> 
>> Eric Applegate 
>> 
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: "James Hefner" <james1 at pernet.net>
>> Reply-To: Steam-engine mailing list <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Date:  Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:45:13 -0500 
>> 
>>>Andy glines writes:  
>>>
>>>> A question I often get asked is how many traction
>>>> engines remain today?  I don't reqally have a guess. 
>>>> It seems like there a lot of them but that may be
>>>> because they get a lot of attention wherever they go.  
>>>> 
>>>> Andy Glines
>>>> Evansville, IN
>>>
>>>That's a good question, one that I am not sure anyone can answer with any 
>>>accuracy.  
>>>
>>>I have 4400 steam vehicles in my "Surviving World Steam Vehicle" database 
>>>for North America; that includes not just traction engines, but steam cars, 
>>>shovels, cranes, basically steam engines that were not on rails or on the 
>>>water, but could be moved from location to another.  
>>>
>>>Blake Malkamaki, who is also a member of this forum, was kind enough to 
>>>share his list with me awhile back.  I have since added on quite a few 
>>>others from other sources and direct observation.  
>>>
>>>To the best of my knowledge; no-one else has attempted such a list until 
>>>recently for North America.  There is a website on the web that lifted most 
>>>of my list for North America, and added his own information to it.  The 
>>>British have "The Traction Engine Register", Europe has "The European 
>>>Traction Engine Register", and while back, someone put together a 
>>>comprehensive steam engine registery for the state of Victoria in Australia.  
>>>
>>>Looking at the numbers for my project; the ratio of steam vehicles to steam 
>>>locomotives and steam engines in total are pretty close between the U.S.A. 
>>>and the UK and Australia.  But, my best guess is that I have only 50% of the 
>>>engines still remaining in the North America; Blake's list seems to fall 
>>>short when it comes to engines preserved in Canada, in museums, and stuffed 
>>>and mounted in parks and whatnot.  
>>>
>>>Worldwide, I have 11,307 listed.  But, outside of the above countries; few 
>>>lists can be found; only individual observations and a few works lists of 
>>>preserved engines.  My "finger in the wind" estimation is between 25,000 and 
>>>40,000 worldwide remain.  
>>>
>>>Steam vehicles and traction engines will always be more difficult to list 
>>>accurately because most are in private hands, they change hands surprisingly 
>>>often, and sometimes the serial numbers are not known.  That is along with 
>>>the usual problems of trying to match lists from two sources and timeframes 
>>>and account for engines lost in the woods, sunk, buried, or abandoned in far 
>>>corners of the world.  What has been found so far (like the two ploughing 
>>>engines now abandoned in the midst of the Sudan Desert) still continue to 
>>>amaze me.  
>>>
>>> -James Hefner
>>>Hebrews 10:20a  
>>>
>>>Surviving World Steam Project
>>>http://www.survivingworldsteam.com 
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