[AT] (now fuel price)

Tue Aug 1 13:21:28 PDT 2006

Global warming????  The all time record high temperature in NY City was July 
9, 1936 at 106 F.  If global warming caused todays temps in the mid 90's I 
wonder what caused that record?

Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin Axworthy" <scemcrsa at earthlink.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] (now fuel price)

> Excellent point.  Time to stop sticking our heads in the sand about gas, 
> resource conservation, and global warming and get our butts in gear to 
> solve it!  Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at peoplepc.com>
>>Sent: Jul 30, 2006 11:35 AM
>>To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group' 
>><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AT] (now fuel price)
>>
>>Minimum wage is $5.75 an hour and they are trying to raise this so the 
>>poor
>>folks can stay poor as the increase will not meet the increase in living
>>expense.
>>
>>Lyle Myles
>>
>>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord 
>>has
>>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Goff
>>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:31 PM
>>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>Subject: Re: [AT] (now fuel price)
>>
>>Just a thought that occured to me. Some 36 years ago when I was first
>>working for "real money" making a dollar an hour stacking bales in the
>>August heat behind a dusty New Holland 65 baler, gas at the pumps was 
>>about
>>fifty cents a gallon. Farm gas was about 25,,,, diesel around  24. So an
>>hours work bought me a couple of gallons of gas at the pumps to fill up 
>>the
>>old 39 Ford.
>>Nowadays I am not paid by the hour but I hear minimum wage is around the
>>$7.50 per hour mark here. So an hours work at $7.50 will not buy two 
>>gallons
>>
>>of gas at today's prices. I'd say the balance has shifted.
>>
>>Ralph in Sask.
>>http://lgoff.sasktelwebsite.net/
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:56 AM
>>Subject: Re: [AT] was Ralph's rotary mower(now fuel price)
>>
>>
>>>I can honsestly say that I was not preparing for $3 a gallon due to the
>>>information and teachings I received from folks I trusted.  I was always
>>>told that it would come back down, and the Government would never let gas
>>>get that high!!
>>> I was reading about making ethanol out of Mesquite in small sized plants
>>> in the High Plains Journal.  Lord knows we got enough of that in SW
>>> Oklahoma...
>>>
>>> Cecil in Okla
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Henry Miller" <hank at millerfarm.com>
>>> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] was Ralph's rotary mower(now fuel price)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday 29 July 2006 19:16, Lyle Myles wrote:
>>>>> The people knew twenty years ago that oil was
>>>>> becoming short and they wait until the last minute to find an 
>>>>> alternate
>>>>> fuel source and I feel that it is now too late.
>>>>
>>>> As I recall a couple years back we had a discussion about ethanol, and 
>>>> it
>>>> seems most of this list was against it then, even though the government
>>>> was
>>>> pushing it as an alternative to oil.   One thing is sure, All bio fuels
>>>> are
>>>> raking in the money now, but currently technology to produce enough to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of oil doesn't exist.  (If your tractor is old enough to run on
>>>> kerosene,
>>>> it will probably run great on one of the bio fuels, but some of the 
>>>> more
>>>> middle aged tractors will need some adjustment)    That is why Bush 
>>>> said
>>>> Cellulose ethanol last January - it shows potention that it could 
>>>> replace
>>>> gas, and bring prices back down to a buck a gallon.   (Some corn 
>>>> ethanol
>>>> plants have a cost of production of $.80/gallon - supply and demand 
>>>> means
>>>> they can sell if for $2.50/gallon)
>>>>
>>>> After adjusting for inflation, Gas is no more expensive than it was in
>>>> the
>>>> 1950s, but we are all used to $1/gallon, so it seems expensive.
>>>>
>>>> This big problem however is not the US, but China.   They have been
>>>> growing at
>>>> 11% per year, which most economist agree will lead to a bust in a few
>>>> years.
>>>> China however has enough command over their production that they can
>>>> force
>>>> companies to produce at a loss to keep jobs around.   Wait a few years,
>>>> and
>>>> all the iron will come back to the US, at prices lower lower than they
>>>> bought
>>>> it as companies forced to produce something for which there isn't 
>>>> demand
>>>> lower prices trying to get anyone to buy it.   China is also likely to
>>>> sell
>>>> all those US dollars they have been buying, in an attempt to prop up
>>>> their
>>>> currency (they are buying now to try to keep it down).    Unfortunately
>>>> this
>>>> is likely to mean China will drive the world into trouble in trying to
>>>> keep
>>>> themselves out.
>>>>
>>>> What will happen?    God only knows.   I can point out some worrying
>>>> signs
>>>> that you ought to consider, and some bright signs.   I cannot add 
>>>> things
>>>> up
>>>> with any surety, and nobody else can either.
>>>>
>>>> One thing is sure: no government has ever proved trustworthy in the 
>>>> long
>>>> run.
>>>> If your choices when gas was $1/gallon didn't prepare you for 
>>>> $3/gallon,
>>>> you
>>>> have only yourself to blame.   You had (if you did the research) 
>>>> exactly
>>>> the
>>>> same information that everyone else did back then.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> AT mailing list
>>>> Remembering Our Friend Cecil Monson 11-4-2005
>>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AT mailing list
>>> Remembering Our Friend Cecil Monson 11-4-2005
>>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 
>>> 7/25/2006
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AT mailing list
>>Remembering Our Friend Cecil Monson 11-4-2005
>>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AT mailing list
>>Remembering Our Friend Cecil Monson 11-4-2005
>>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> Remembering Our Friend Cecil Monson 11-4-2005
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006
>
> 