[AT] (now fuel price)

Tue Aug 1 12:46:26 PDT 2006

Excellent point.  Time to stop sticking our heads in the sand about gas, resource conservation, and global warming and get our butts in gear to solve it!  Robin

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>From: Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at peoplepc.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2006 11:35 AM
>To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group' <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Subject: RE: [AT] (now fuel price)
>
>Minimum wage is $5.75 an hour and they are trying to raise this so the poor
>folks can stay poor as the increase will not meet the increase in living
>expense.
>
>Lyle Myles
>
>May the Lord be with each and everyone this beautiful day that the Lord has
>given each and every one of us to enjoy and behold!
>
> 
>
>
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>[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Goff
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:31 PM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] (now fuel price)
>
>Just a thought that occured to me. Some 36 years ago when I was first 
>working for "real money" making a dollar an hour stacking bales in the 
>August heat behind a dusty New Holland 65 baler, gas at the pumps was about 
>fifty cents a gallon. Farm gas was about 25,,,, diesel around  24. So an 
>hours work bought me a couple of gallons of gas at the pumps to fill up the 
>old 39 Ford.
>Nowadays I am not paid by the hour but I hear minimum wage is around the 
>$7.50 per hour mark here. So an hours work at $7.50 will not buy two gallons
>
>of gas at today's prices. I'd say the balance has shifted.
>
>Ralph in Sask.
>http://lgoff.sasktelwebsite.net/
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [AT] was Ralph's rotary mower(now fuel price)
>
>
>>I can honsestly say that I was not preparing for $3 a gallon due to the 
>>information and teachings I received from folks I trusted.  I was always 
>>told that it would come back down, and the Government would never let gas 
>>get that high!!
>> I was reading about making ethanol out of Mesquite in small sized plants 
>> in the High Plains Journal.  Lord knows we got enough of that in SW 
>> Oklahoma...
>>
>> Cecil in Okla
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Henry Miller" <hank at millerfarm.com>
>> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 10:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] was Ralph's rotary mower(now fuel price)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday 29 July 2006 19:16, Lyle Myles wrote:
>>>> The people knew twenty years ago that oil was
>>>> becoming short and they wait until the last minute to find an alternate
>>>> fuel source and I feel that it is now too late.
>>>
>>> As I recall a couple years back we had a discussion about ethanol, and it
>>> seems most of this list was against it then, even though the government 
>>> was
>>> pushing it as an alternative to oil.   One thing is sure, All bio fuels 
>>> are
>>> raking in the money now, but currently technology to produce enough to 
>>> get
>>> rid of oil doesn't exist.  (If your tractor is old enough to run on 
>>> kerosene,
>>> it will probably run great on one of the bio fuels, but some of the more
>>> middle aged tractors will need some adjustment)    That is why Bush said
>>> Cellulose ethanol last January - it shows potention that it could replace
>>> gas, and bring prices back down to a buck a gallon.   (Some corn ethanol
>>> plants have a cost of production of $.80/gallon - supply and demand means
>>> they can sell if for $2.50/gallon)
>>>
>>> After adjusting for inflation, Gas is no more expensive than it was in 
>>> the
>>> 1950s, but we are all used to $1/gallon, so it seems expensive.
>>>
>>> This big problem however is not the US, but China.   They have been 
>>> growing at
>>> 11% per year, which most economist agree will lead to a bust in a few 
>>> years.
>>> China however has enough command over their production that they can 
>>> force
>>> companies to produce at a loss to keep jobs around.   Wait a few years, 
>>> and
>>> all the iron will come back to the US, at prices lower lower than they 
>>> bought
>>> it as companies forced to produce something for which there isn't demand
>>> lower prices trying to get anyone to buy it.   China is also likely to 
>>> sell
>>> all those US dollars they have been buying, in an attempt to prop up 
>>> their
>>> currency (they are buying now to try to keep it down).    Unfortunately 
>>> this
>>> is likely to mean China will drive the world into trouble in trying to 
>>> keep
>>> themselves out.
>>>
>>> What will happen?    God only knows.   I can point out some worrying 
>>> signs
>>> that you ought to consider, and some bright signs.   I cannot add things 
>>> up
>>> with any surety, and nobody else can either.
>>>
>>> One thing is sure: no government has ever proved trustworthy in the long 
>>> run.
>>> If your choices when gas was $1/gallon didn't prepare you for $3/gallon, 
>>> you
>>> have only yourself to blame.   You had (if you did the research) exactly 
>>> the
>>> same information that everyone else did back then.
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