[Steam-engine] Re: Steam-engine Digest, Vol 23, Issue 10

Thu Apr 20 10:15:10 PDT 2006

Socialism?? Really Andy, I think thats a little overblown.  Lets phrase it this way:  what if there was a rare Huber engine for sale?  What if you wanted to buy it?  Well if it sells for a little more than you can afford right now, you could always save and work hard , being the energetic young man you are, and perhaps buy it later when you can afford it.  But if it goes overseas, I can guarantee that you won't be getting that engine back without winning the lottery to afford the shipping costs.  And go to some of these countries and try to export an object as old and historic as a steam traction engine.  I can assure you that it will not be done easily.  Right now in this country engines are  quite a bit more plentiful and less expensive than they are in other countries.  That means that nearly anyone who wants an engine can afford one with just a little trouble, not just the wealthy.  But, and I am not saying this to be alarmist, if the trend continues where more and more
 engines are sold overseas, where they are considered cheap because they are rarer, then prices will rise in this country to equate those seen in other countries.  

  Travis

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1. Re: Protecting US engines from Export (Andy glines)

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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy glines 

Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] Protecting US engines from Export
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Do our engines need protection? If folks want to keep
them here all they have to do is put up the $$$ and it
stays. Selling to the highest bidder is the American
way. By placing restrictions on who can buy historical
items we would be resorting to socialism to solve the
"problem" I don't want to see our stuff go overseas
but I think that resorting to restrictive laws isn't
the answer. We need to remember that we enjoy
artifacts from all over the world in the U.S. as well.
There are a few English engines in the U.S. and I'm
sure that they are a real treat to see. We have an
opportunity to see a machine that we wouldn't get to
see otherwise. The same point applies to engines
which have been exported from the U.S. A couple of
years ago there was a big stink about a Keck-Gonnerman
going to the U.K. I'm a big fan of Kecks as I'm from
Mt. Vernon, IN. I was not happy to see the K-G go to
England but I'm also glad to know that they have an
example of a fine AMERICAN steam engine! 

--- BETH VANARSDALL <24port at accesstoledo.com> wrote:

> This list has been dead lately, so how about a
> subject debated on SmokStak?
> This is a double edged subject for the non US
> subscribers.
> 
> 
> 
> The question is how to protect our US engines from
> going overseas where they
> are perceived as a good deal-compared to the cost of
> the European engines?
> 
> 
> 
> If memory serves, Australia & New Zealand have laws
> about not allowing the
> engines to leave the country. It seems there was a
> challenge in getting the
> Burrells to Great Dorset Steam Fair in 2001 or 2002
> for the Burrell feature
> and making sure they returned. The return was
> delayed due to the hoof (or
> was it foot?) and mouth epidemic.
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone enlighten us?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Beth

Andy Glines
Evansville, IN

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<div>Socialism?? Really Andy, I think thats a little overblown.  Lets phrase it this way:  what if there was a rare Huber engine for sale?  What if you wanted to buy it?  Well if it sells for a little more than you can afford right now, you could always save and work hard , being the energetic young man you are, and perhaps buy it later when you can afford it.  But if it goes overseas, I can guarantee that you won't be getting that engine back without winning the lottery to afford the shipping costs.  And go to some of these countries and try to export an object as old and historic as a steam traction engine.  I can assure you that it will not be done easily.  Right now in this country engines are  quite a bit more plentiful and less expensive than they are in other countries.  That means that nearly anyone who wants an engine can afford one with just a little trouble, not just the wealthy.  But, and I am not saying
 this to be alarmist, if the trend continues where more and more engines are sold overseas, where they are considered cheap because they are rarer, then prices will rise in this country to equate those seen in other countries.  </div>  <div> </div>  <div>Travis<BR><BR><B><I>steam-engine-request at lists.stationary-engine.com</I></B> wrote:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send Steam-engine mailing list submissions to<BR>steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/steam-engine<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>steam-engine-request at lists.stationary-engine.com<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>steam-engine-owner at lists.stationary-engine.com<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re:
 Contents of Steam-engine digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Re: Protecting US engines from Export (Andy glines)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: Andy glines <PIONEERSOP96 at YAHOO.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] Protecting US engines from Export<BR>To: Steam-engine mailing list<BR><STEAM-ENGINE at LISTS.STATIONARY-ENGINE.COM><BR>Message-ID: <20060420135926.18954.qmail at web33805.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1<BR><BR>Do our engines need protection? If folks want to keep<BR>them here all they have to do is put up the $$$ and it<BR>stays. Selling to the highest bidder is the American<BR>way. By placing restrictions on who can buy historical<BR>items we would be resorting to socialism to solve the<BR>"problem" I don't want to see our stuff go overseas<BR>but I think that resorting to restrictive laws
 isn't<BR>the answer. We need to remember that we enjoy<BR>artifacts from all over the world in the U.S. as well.<BR>There are a few English engines in the U.S. and I'm<BR>sure that they are a real treat to see. We have an<BR>opportunity to see a machine that we wouldn't get to<BR>see otherwise. The same point applies to engines<BR>which have been exported from the U.S. A couple of<BR>years ago there was a big stink about a Keck-Gonnerman<BR>going to the U.K. I'm a big fan of Kecks as I'm from<BR>Mt. Vernon, IN. I was not happy to see the K-G go to<BR>England but I'm also glad to know that they have an<BR>example of a fine AMERICAN steam engine! <BR><BR>--- BETH VANARSDALL <24port at accesstoledo.com> wrote:<BR><BR>> This list has been dead lately, so how about a<BR>> subject debated on SmokStak?<BR>> This is a double edged subject for the non US<BR>> subscribers.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The question is how to protect our US engines from<BR>>
 going overseas where they<BR>> are perceived as a good deal-compared to the cost of<BR>> the European engines?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> If memory serves, Australia & New Zealand have laws<BR>> about not allowing the<BR>> engines to leave the country. It seems there was a<BR>> challenge in getting the<BR>> Burrells to Great Dorset Steam Fair in 2001 or 2002<BR>> for the Burrell feature<BR>> and making sure they returned. The return was<BR>> delayed due to the hoof (or<BR>> was it foot?) and mouth epidemic.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Can anyone enlighten us?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thanks!<BR>> <BR>> Beth<BR><BR><BR>Andy Glines<BR>Evansville, IN<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <BR>http://mail.yahoo.com
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