[AJD] anti freeze

[Frank]

Steve:
I think something that everyone is discounting is the configuration of the 
cooling system.......oh oh here we go with seeking its own level 
etc...........
but the test in a glass or bucket of water is just not the same....

Would like to see all the guys again too , however I think I will not be 
there this time.

Frank
gremaux at tein.net
Central Montana
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Treimer" <steelerhawk at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] anti freeze


> Frank,
> I too agree with you.  Absolutely, positively premix first.  But that's 
> not what you asked.  I think Duane could comment more on the time it might 
> take to mix given the different densities, the temperature, the volume, 
> and the "mean free path", but someday..... someday the two liquids would 
> mix since both are miscible solvents in each other.  propylene glycol 
> would probably mix faster (it's density is almost that of water).  Here's 
> the final practical test: having added water on top of the antifreeze you 
> just put in your engine, after say a day, would you be willing to take the 
> top gallon of and water your dog with it?  (please don't)
> steve
> can't wait to see you guys next year again.
>
> Frank <gremaux at tein.net> wrote:
> so do I .......in theory.......
> but it don't work in the real world
>
> Frank
> gremaux at tein.net
> Central Montana
> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "wwwayne johnson"
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AJD] anti freeze
>
>
>>I agree. Merle Wayne
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Treimer"
>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] anti freeze
>>
>>
>>> Frank,
>>> As a chemist, knowing the solubility properties, I guarantee that it 
>>> will
>>> mix simply from the law of diffusion. Regardless, convection from the
>>> running does cause movement of the more dense fluid surrounding the 
>>> block
>>> and head which would aid the diffusion. Not the most efficient way to
>>> evenly disperse the two liquids and it might take a long time (have to
>>> think relatively here), but they absolutely positively will be entirely
>>> mixed at some point even if the engine is never run at all.
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>> how many of you guys would sign to the fact that antifreeze will not mix
>>> with water added separately in a thermo siphon system such as a Deere
>>> might
>>> have?
>>>
>>>
>>> yes I am in an argument here an d I say it will not mix
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> gremaux at tein.net
>>> Central Montana
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>>>
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