[AT] Visiting ATIS members during 9/18 trip

[Herbert Metz]

OK; we are back in business.  I charged the battery, removed the panel, 
loosened the lock nut, backed the starter bolt out a small half turn, tapped 
a couple times on rear of starter, tightened bolt, tightened locknut, and 
hit the starter.   She started on the first turnover.
Thanks for the other suggestions, I will keep them in mind.
Then I drove around for a while getting famaliar with the "power director", 
a high-neutral-low arrangement that was Allis Chalmers very economical 
method of live PTO for powering the round rotobaler; (and also served as a 
torque amplifier?)
I finally found a good farm auction; a consignment auction organized by the 
Franklin County FFA.  It is held first Saturday of March and first Saturday 
of October   It is an hour east of me, but I can do that twice a year.
Herb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Willer" <gwill at toast.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Visiting ATIS members during 9/18 trip
> Charlie,
> More information on Herb's problem.  The battery was drained completely... 
> dead as a dodo.  Disconnecting it and using a boost pack produced no sound 
> at all from the solenoid when the starter position on the ignition was 
> tried.  It will be interesting to see if Herb finds a bad solenoid, but 
> the completely discharged battery is a mystery. ???
> The starter and solenoid are behind a panel we didn't remove, but the 
> anchor bolt for the starter is visible.
> George Willer

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Visiting ATIS members during 9/18 trip
>> Sometimes the starter drive will stick in the flywheel.  Put the tractor 
>> in high gear and rock it back and forth by pulling and pushing on the 
>> rear tire treads.  That might shake it loose.  If that doesn't work there 
>> is a tapered end bolt with a lock nut that holds the starter in the bell 
>> housing/torque tube.  Back it out far enough to shake the starter.
>> Those are the things I would try.   If that doesn't work you will learn 
>> to hold your mouth right while you try to get the starter out from under 
>> the fuel tank.
>> Sounds like you had a good trip.  12.5 mpg isn't bad pulling that much 
>> load! Not good with gas prices this high but still not bad.
>> Lynn went to London a few years ago and forgot to tell the bank.
>> After about 3 days into a 2 week trip the bank started calling.   I told 
>> them she was in London on a trip but they weren't taking my word for it. 
>> They kept telling me to have her call them.  I kept explaining that I 
>> didn't even know how to reach her.  They kept calling back.  I couldn't 
>> tell her because I had not even heard from her myself.  I was afraid they 
>> would cut off her card.  I wanted to know what was being bought with the 
>> card so that I would know if it was her using it.  The bank 
>> wouldn't/couldn't tell me that.  Luckily I know some folks that are 
>> fairly high placed in that bank. They got it taken care of for me.
>> Charlie

>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Herbert Metz" <metz-h.b at mindspring.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Visiting ATIS members during 9/18 trip
>>> Charlie
>>> Yes, we had a good trip (except 1340 miles / 12.5 mpg is $300 for 
>>> gasoline). We had to call our credit card co. half way through our 
>>> return trip and properly identify ourself as they had placed a block on 
>>> our card. I should have informed them of our plans before making the 
>>> trip.
>>> First impression was good; it started right away and I backed out of 
>>> Georges shed, drove it down his driveway and back, then onto the 
>>> trailer.
>>> Second impression was not so good; attempted to start it and move a 
>>> couple inches. Ugh; the starter apparently locked.   We tried a couple 
>>> things, then disconnected the battery and put the hood back on, rolled 
>>> it a couple inches and tied it down.   When we got home I backed the 
>>> trailer into the shed far enough that Barbara and I could easily roll it 
>>> off. Seriously used my $30 special sale 12 volt winch from Harbor 
>>> Freight for first time. Called the p.o. and he had not experienced 
>>> starter problems (since a rebuild two years ago).  Will take it loose 
>>> tomorrow (after a farm equipment sale) and tap on starter, etc.
>>> P.O. mailed the operators manual today; he and George had such a good 
>>> tour and visit at Georges that he completely forgot to leave the manual. 
>>> This is the first tractor that I ever drove without knowing anything 
>>> about it; a rather uneasy feeling.  Obviously, I had not done my 
>>> homework.   The p.o. currently is without computer, but that is no 
>>> excuse.
>>> Herb

>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Visiting ATIS members during 9/18 trip
>>>> Herb it sounds like you had a great trip.  How do you like your D14 so 
>>>> far?
>>>> Charlie

>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Herbert Metz" <metz-h.b at mindspring.com>
>>>> To: <AT at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [AT] Visiting ATIS members during 9/18 trip
>>>> Barbara and I certainly enjoyed the hospitality of the Willers and the 
>>>> Dotsons during our 9/27-28 trip to Ohio to pick up a D14 bought from an 
>>>> AC enthusiast in New York.  He delivered it to the Willers the previous 
>>>> week when he attended an AC sale in Indiana.  George had rearranged his 
>>>> shed (Allis, Case, Ford, IHC H and M, plus many Cubs) to make room for 
>>>> one more.
>>>> Yes, George, our loading was well done.   I never made any adjustments; 
>>>> that is saying quite a bit when one travels 690 miles and includes 
>>>> Kentucky interstates (they are rough).
>>>> After enjoying Marilyns good cooking and a nice overnight stay, we hit 
>>>> the road for the Dotsons.  We had toured Georges shops (full line for 
>>>> wookwork and full line for metal work and his shed full of tractors) 
>>>> last year when we stopped in for Sunday brunch on our return from 
>>>> Canandaigua, NY show. Our visit at Gene Dotsons included visiting with 
>>>> Gene, brother Gary and his wife Regina and a tour of Genes farm, shed 
>>>> full of Case tractors plus good looking Maule airplane, airstrip, White 
>>>> combine and many implements. Then on to brother Larry and wife Barbara 
>>>> Dotsons where we toured their shed full of IHC Cubs, his exceptional 
>>>> restored Cockshut, and several other tractors and implements.   Larry 
>>>> has several projects in process including an Allis G restoration for 
>>>> some guy way down in GA, and he still works full time.
>>>> Thank You Barbara for the good written directions for getting back to 
>>>> I-65 while also avoiding Dayton.  Those directions also took us through 
>>>> West Liberty where we noticed a couple sitting out front of a store 
>>>> eating icecream cones.  Wooohh!   $1.00 for a huge scoop of delicious 
>>>> icecream. (Note to Larry Goss, store was on southwest corner of 
>>>> intersection).
>>>> We had gone about five miles when Gene phoned and said Barbara had 
>>>> noticed the trailer brake lights were not working when we left their 
>>>> place.  Sure enough; I wiggled the plug and they worked ok the rest of 
>>>> the trip. Thank You again Barbara.
>>>> The rest of the trip home went well.   However, I did drive on the left 
>>>> side of the road through much of KY, because of the right side being so 
>>>> rough. I do not like doing that but this was middle of the night and 
>>>> our trailer has five lights across the rear.
>>>> Time did not permit a visit to Gary and Regina's to tour their 
>>>> collection of Leaders and an exceptional restored Cockshut; maybe next 
>>>> year.
>>>> Herb