[AJD] late B

John Paur johnjanpaur at directcon.net
Sun May 29 17:19:19 PDT 2005


Paul,  I have that book also and yes, it was printed 'with permission of
Deere and Co'. I don't recall who the publisher is/was.   John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul O" <mrgp at fwi.com>
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Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] late B


> Bill
> Would you look in the book you mentioned and determine if it is a Deere
> publication or if it was printed with permission of
> Deere and Co?
>
> Paul O
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Thompson" <spud_thompson at toleartist.com>
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
>
>
> Bill , I would love a copy.  Thanks again.
>
> Bill "Spud" Thompson
> Katahdin Valley Farm
> Sherman Mills, Maine
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Brueck" <b2 at chooka.net>
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
>
>
> The book I've been using for reference on serial numbers is a JD
publication
> entitled simply John Deere Tractors 1918-1976.  Brown cover paperback, I
> think I read a while back that John Deere did a second printing of this.
> Mine is from the first batch.  It contains a drawing or picture of each
> model covered, a brief paragraph about it, and in the back has a listing
of
> serial numbers and model years.  I took this with me to auction sales for
a
> few seasons, when it looked like there would be nothing selling I cared
> about for a bit I would go back to the van and enter the serial numbers
into
> my palm pilot.  So I have an ascii file of the serial numbers and years
for
> all the letter series tractors and for model E engines.  If anyone would
> like a copy of this text file just ask and I'll forward it to you.  I find
> no copyright in the book, so this is even legit as far as I'm concered.
>
> It's handy having this info with me at a sale, I can look up a tractor.
> Especially fun listening to other experts state what the tractor is, many
> are way off and with great certainty.  I just keep quiet, I figure this is
> my secret weapon at a sale to know what it is that I'm bidding on...or
not!
>
> As far as the model vs production year, I think I read a while back that
my
> book is indeed calendar year.  As Michael posted, for restoration purposes
> and getting the tractor "right" the serial number and the parts book is
what
> is helpful, never mind the actual year.
>
> Been barely able to lurk the past couple of days, to say nothing of having
a
> thought left over for posting.  Got the son married off on Friday, company
> is dwindling away, 2 more trips to the airport today and tomorrow and life
> will return to normal.  It's been a great weekend with the new daughter in
> law coming aboard and having folks around we've not seen for a while.  But
> company is like fish, after about 3 days...  Looks like I'll be eating
> potato salad for a month.
>
>> Bill Brueck (brick)
> Chatfield, MN, USA
>
> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
>
>
> > Paul:
> >
> > All of JR Hobbs books list serial number by model year. As far as an
> > official JD document I don't have access to the official JD archived
> > production register info so I don't know the exact way in which they are
> > presented.
> >
> > I do know this, for example, some 1953 model year JD 60's were made in
> > 1952.
> > This occurred repeatedly across all models. Another example: some Styled
> > JD
> > B's for model year 1939 B's were made in late 1938. This is a good
example
> > because this was the model year where JD switched from unstyled to
styled
> > B's. A very clear distinctive difference.
> >
> > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> >
> > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > storeroom door
> >
> >
> > www.deerelegacy.com
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Paul O
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:44 AM
> > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
> >
> > Good comments, Mlke
> > I have questons about " model year". Has anyone ever seen a Deere
> > publication which provides serial numbers by "model year"?
> > If such a thing exists, I would like to see it!
> >
> > Paul O
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Ostrander" <antiquejd at fwi.com>
> > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:11 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
> >
> >
> > I will suggest that one of the prominent alternate lists also publish
> > based
> > on Model year.  The discrepancy comes from defining the parameters of
the
> > model year.  A more useful demarcation might be just the serial number
> > which
> > determines the appropriate part/casting etc.  The parts book for
tractors
> > lists the serial numbers corresponding to the part needing replacing.
> > Model
> > year designations have created arbitrary values on tractors.  A prime
> > example is the D that sold in Washington within the last 8 weeks.  It
was
> > identical in its parts and configuration but sold unrestored for more
than
> > twice what an identical restored tractor did during the same period.
The
> > tractors were less than 400 serial numbers apart.  Take the tags off and
> > you
> > could not have told any difference between the two.  Is $6000 plus the
> > cost
> > of restoration truly reflective of an objective premium for identical
> > tractors?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of
> > Dean VP
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:14 AM
> > To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
> > Subject: RE: [AJD] late B
> >
> >
> > Bill:
> >
> > It is interesting how serial number lists vary depending on author. JR
> > Hobbs
> > lists the model year/serial number breaks as follows (See second # per
> > year
> > below):
> > It would be very helful to us collectors if we could get those who
publish
> > these serial number lists to define their reference as Model Year, like
JR
> > does, vs calendar year vs production year. It sure causes a lot of
> > confusion.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Bill Brueck
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:20 AM
> > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [AJD] late B
> >
> > Yep, that makes it a '51, Ron;.  Parts should be plenty available.  Got
> > one
> > up this way about like it I may have a chance to pick up, the guy just
> > died
> > a couple of months ago so there will probably be an estate sale.
> > 35 1000
> >
> > 36 12012
> >
> > 37 27389
> >
> > 38 46175
> >
> > 39 60000 vs 60000
> >
> > 40 81600 vs 78526
> >
> > 41 96000 vs 96000
> >
> > 42 126345 vs 118721
> >
> > 43 143420 vs 136315
> >
> > 44 152862 vs 149219
> >
> > 45 173179 vs 166880 vs 167700(Two Cylinder Club Card)
> >
> > 46 183673 vs 179788
> >
> > 47 199744 vs 201000 vs 191303(Two Cylinder Club card)
> >
> > 48 216055 vs 209925
> >
> > 49 237346 vs 230044
> >
> > 50 258205 vs 253025
> >
> > 51 276557 vs 275242
> >
> > 52 299175 vs 293030
> >
> >
> > B²
> > Bill Brueck (brick)
> > Chatfield, MN, USA
> >
> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ronald L. Cook" <rlcook at pionet.net>
> > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:53 AM
> > Subject: [AJD] late B
> >
> >
> >>I am looking at a stuck late B.  Roll-o-matic, powr-trol, cast rear
> >>centers, decent tin with the usual hack job at the stack.  Parked
outside
> >>in the fence row for years.  The exhaust pipe is rusted out and there is
> >>no
> >
> >>cover over the air stack so I fear she is a really stuck old girl.  I
will
> >>probably buy it if we can agree on the "right" price.  My question is:
> >>What
> >
> >>year production is serial number 297912?  I am thinking it is a 1951 but
I
> >>have no information that says so.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >>
> >> Ron Cook
> >> Salix, IA
> >>
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