[AJD] late B

Fri May 27 12:04:53 PDT 2005

Michael:

Your points are well taken. From most of the documents/books, etc that I
have read there seems to be fairly good documentation on when JD shut down
the plant for the model year switch over and plant maintenance, except for a
few years where the archive paper records don't seem to agree. Then there
are tractors which had no changes between model years and then major changes
during mid model year production. Then I also think I have read that Lyle
Cherry's records are based on the "Sales" year which may not coincide with
model or production or calendar or fiscal JD years, just to confuse things
even more. I have finally decided to use JR's way of defining model years of
tractors which seems to be the most consistent with the way the JD
manufacturing plant operated. I see this as also consistent with the way car
manufacturers define model years as well. 

I attended the auction and watched that D sell at a price that was
extraordinary. My reaction had nothing to do with the supposed "one of 75"
for that year but in how much work needed to be done to the tractor to get
it back into good original condition, much less restored. The only real
positive that I can say about it is that it ran real good. The rest of the
tractor was nothing to write home about. All wheels and tin needed to be
replaced at the minimum. 

Now as far as paying more for a tractor because it's serial number happens
to defined as something rare when the tractors before and after it were
identical, is something I haven't had to face up to and probably wouldn't do
anyway.  My present "modus operandi" is that any tractor's price over $100
is too expensive. And in some cases that is too expensive. Free would be too
expensive. My second 1940 Slant Dash B recently acquired, much to my
surprise, fit into the current rules however. Slant dash B's are another
anomaly. No records exist as to how many actually were built; it is unclear
when in the calendar year 1939 they actually began production and in
addition supposedly JD sold an upgrade kit, of unknown quantity to convert
hand start B's to Slant Dash B's. 

All I know is that I have seen damned few of them here on the West Coast (2
besides my own) and almost wet my pants when I was able to pick up a second
one at a very reasonable price. Herb Nielsen has been trying to get a feel
for how many Slant Dash B's are still in existence and has been recording
serial numbers at the last two Gathering of the Green's. I believe he is
somewhere between 15 and 25 recorded serial numbers based on input from the
1500 attendees at the last GOG. Now that little anomaly trips my trigger.
:-) Probably makes a B worth an extra $50 on a good day!  :-) 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
storeroom door 

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-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Ostrander
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:11 AM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: RE: [AJD] late B

I will suggest that one of the prominent alternate lists also publish based
on Model year.  The discrepancy comes from defining the parameters of the
model year.  A more useful demarcation might be just the serial number which
determines the appropriate part/casting etc.  The parts book for tractors
lists the serial numbers corresponding to the part needing replacing.  Model
year designations have created arbitrary values on tractors.  A prime
example is the D that sold in Washington within the last 8 weeks.  It was
identical in its parts and configuration but sold unrestored for more than
twice what an identical restored tractor did during the same period.  The
tractors were less than 400 serial numbers apart.  Take the tags off and you
could not have told any difference between the two.  Is $6000 plus the cost
of restoration truly reflective of an objective premium for identical
tractors?

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From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of
Dean VP
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:14 AM
To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
Subject: RE: [AJD] late B

Bill:

It is interesting how serial number lists vary depending on author. JR Hobbs
lists the model year/serial number breaks as follows (See second # per year
below):
It would be very helful to us collectors if we could get those who publish
these serial number lists to define their reference as Model Year, like JR
does, vs calendar year vs production year. It sure causes a lot of
confusion.

-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Brueck
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:20 AM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: Re: [AJD] late B

Yep, that makes it a '51, Ron;.  Parts should be plenty available.  Got one
up this way about like it I may have a chance to pick up, the guy just died
a couple of months ago so there will probably be an estate sale.
35 1000

36 12012

37 27389

38 46175

39 60000 vs 60000

40 81600 vs 78526

41 96000 vs 96000

42 126345 vs 118721

43 143420 vs 136315

44 152862 vs 149219

45 173179 vs 166880 vs 167700(Two Cylinder Club Card)

46 183673 vs 179788

47 199744 vs 201000 vs 191303(Two Cylinder Club card)

48 216055 vs 209925

49 237346 vs 230044

50 258205 vs 253025

51 276557 vs 275242

52 299175 vs 293030

B²
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA

Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald L. Cook" <rlcook at pionet.net>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
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Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: [AJD] late B

>I am looking at a stuck late B.  Roll-o-matic, powr-trol, cast rear
>centers, decent tin with the usual hack job at the stack.  Parked outside
>in the fence row for years.  The exhaust pipe is rusted out and there is no

>cover over the air stack so I fear she is a really stuck old girl.  I will
>probably buy it if we can agree on the "right" price.  My question is: What

>year production is serial number 297912?  I am thinking it is a 1951 but I
>have no information that says so.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Ron Cook
> Salix, IA
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