[AT] "First" diesel crawler w/ Blade

charlie hill chill8 at cox.net
Wed Mar 16 15:57:25 PST 2005


Not the first time or the last and I certainly can't tell you that the 
Wendel book is correct either.  It's just the best information I have.

I'd be willing to bet none of the ones that Nebraska tested had blades on 
them simply because the blades weren't needed to perform the test.  Nebraska 
added their own weights so there would be no advantage to the weight of the 
blade hanging on the front end.

Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'" 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] "First" diesel crawler w/ Blade


> Humm.  It wouldn't be the first time (or the last) that an author got
> something wrong.  My students used to think it was awfully presumptuous
> of me to question the truth of things that were published in their
> textbooks, but I told them that skepticism can be a healthy thing --
> particularly when it comes to things that get published.
>
> But in this case, it's a matter of a "loose nut behind the steering
> wheel."  I simply didn't read far enough in the actual data pages.  Both
> tests are listed.  It looks like the summer of 1932 was the "Year of the
> Caterpillar" for Nebraska Testing.  Seven tests in a row were run on
> various models of Caterpillars.
>
> Now, I wonder if any of them had blades on them.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:11 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] "First" diesel crawler w/ Blade
>
> Larry the Nebraska test book shows two seperate tests 208 & 209.  They
> both
> look like the same crawler but they call the first one a "diesel" and
> the
> second (test 209) a model 65.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [AT] "First" diesel crawler w/ Blade
>
>
>> Another source is "Ultimate American Farm Tractor Data Book: Nebraska
>> test Tractors 1920-1960 by Lorry Dunning.  ISBN 0-7603-0477-7.  This
>> book has a chapter called "Power Test Timeline" that lists all the
>> firsts in the series.  I get the impression from reading Dunning that
>> the "Diesel" and the Cat. 65 tractors are one and the same.  But what
> do
>> I know?  The Cat. 65 is listed as test #208.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
> hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:10 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] "First" diesel crawler w/ Blade
>>
>> Looking through the Nebraska Tractor Test book,  the first Diesel
>> Crawler
>> they tested was Test No. 208 in July 1932.  It was a Caterpillar
>> "Diesel"
>> (apparently Diesel was the model name). The next one they tested was
> in
>> July
>> 1932 and it was a Cat model 65.
>>
>> It that wasn't the first diesel crawler it was most likely the first
>> reliable diesel crawler.  Nebraska tested it's first crawler in 1920
> so
>> if
>> there had been any out before the Caterpillar they most likely would
>> have
>> tested it.
>>
>> According to Norm Swinfords AC construction equipment book,
>> Monarch tested an Atlas Diesel in a model 75 in 1927 and it was tested
>> in
>> Montana as late as 1930 but never put into production.
>>
>> Reference for the librarian:
>>  Nebraska Tractor Tests Since 1920 by C.H. Wendel.
>>
>> Allis Chalmers Construction Machinery & Industrial Equipment
>> Norm Swinford,  Crestline Publishers,  ISBN 0-7603-0485-8
>>
>> Charlie Hill
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "JParks" <jkparks at flash.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:08 AM
>> Subject: [AT] "First" diesel crawler w/ Blade
>>
>>
>>> Below is a copy/paste of a question I rec'd from a librarian in hopes
>> of
>>> helping an inquiring patron.  (very helpful library!)  The question
>>> involves
>>> not just the "first" diesel powered crawler tractor, but the
> qualifier
>>
>>> that
>>> it be a "dozer", so the blade attachment comes into question too.
> All
>> I
>>> have is a WAG with a +/- of several years margin of area.  Can ya'll
>>> supply
>>> a more definitive and authoritative answer.  I will pass along all
>> your
>>> replies to the librarian.
>>> Thanks
>>> John Parks
>>> Boise, ID
>>> My name is Tonia Totten and I work at the Bristol Public Library and
>> I'm
>>> writing to you on behalf of a library patron who has a question that
>>> hopefully you will be able to answer. The patron wants to know when
>> the
>>> first diesel powered bulldozers were made
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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