[AJD] Speed Hour Meters-DENNIS

Cotton Family dcotton at coosahs.net
Tue Mar 15 05:37:17 PST 2005


This so called work, this week kicked my butt... I flew in a week what
normally I do in a month...I can see the economy has picked up for the
richer people of the world as they are movin and grooving...

On a different note. I am very interested in the letz plates that you
might want to part with( if you can let go of them,)... You still have
that other set by your desk?

Dennis


-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:40 PM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: RE: [AJD] Speed Hour Meters-DENNIS

Dennis
What is this word "work" that you refer to? I thought you were an
evolved higher life form 
immune to such drudgery!!!
Greg


Greg Stephen
The Old Tractor Company
Stephen Equipment Company
PO Box 709
Franktown, CO 80116
303-663-5246
303-468-0377 FAX<<--GREAT WAY TO REACH ME!

On Mon Mar 14 21:51 , 'Cotton Family' <dcotton at coosahs.net> sent:

>Man I go to work for a week and look what I stirred up... I personally
>am glad someone is redoing these.. I had a very hard time finding my 70
>gas one, and paid for a rebuilt one.... Rather DEEREly also... but I
>needed it for the belt work that I was and will be doing... I might
just
>get one and hang on to it to have a spare.... Its face looks better
than
>my original...
>Dennis
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antiqu
e-johndeere-
bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
>Of greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
>Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:05 AM
>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>Subject: RE: [AJD] INFO- Speed Hour Meters
>
>Rereading Dana's last post I think I agree with him
>"It's as good as it gets"
>At least at this stage of the game!
>Greg
>
>
>Greg Stephen
>The Old Tractor Company
>Stephen Equipment Company
>PO Box 709
>Franktown, CO 80116
>303-663-5246
>303-468-0377 FAX
>
>On Fri Mar 11 12:17 , 'Dean VP' deanvp at att.net> sent:
>
>>Greg:
>>
>>After a long discussion with Nick, it was my understanding that these
>meters
>>are originally made new by Borg Warner but then he modifies them to
>have a
>>reproduction old face put on them that gives the proper RPM, MPH and
>PTO
>>speed readouts for a specific model tractor and also has the original
>part
>>number on them as if they were NOS from the 50's. 
>>
>>And yes, he does describe them as New in his advertisement and not as
>NOS.
>>It is IMHO slightly misleading as it implies an unmodified New Factory
>>Meter. In other words correctly built for each tractor model at the
>factory.
>>
>>
>>I would have preferred that he describe them as New Borg Warner
meters,
>>modified to be correct for the specific model tractor and then there
>>wouldn't be any chance of a potential customer thinking that they
might
>be
>>completely new factory standard product with associated factory
>warranties,
>>etc.
>> 
>>The statements are generally correct but what is being left out is
>important
>>information, in my opinion.  I suspect the meters perform as
>advertised; it
>>is just a matter of perception or first impression that can be a bit
>>troublesome. I suspect that the original manufacturer would not honor
>their
>>warranty, whatever it is, on these modified products. I also suspect
>that
>>nick will honor a warranty claim but that period or warranty is not
>spelled
>>out other than satisfaction guaranteed, but no time period is
>identified.
>>
>>At this moment in time I see no reason to hide this information from
>>customers or potential customers. Maybe it is a licensing or legal
>issue.
>>Then there wouldn't be the potential for false expectations and/or
>incorrect
>>first impressions.  It is the seller's responsibility to set the
>customers
>>expectations to be slightly less than or equal to the actual product
>>received. 
>>
>>Not a terribly big issue but one that can lead to misunderstandings
and
>>disagreements. One where either the customer or the seller can be at
>fault. 
>>
>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>>storeroom door 
>>
>>
>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antiq
u
>e-johndeere-
>bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
>>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:32 AM
>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>Subject: RE: [AJD] INFO- Speed Hour Meters
>>
>>A couple of things on these speed hour meters.
>>
>>Nick is a friend of mine and we have discussed these meters numerous
>times
>>over the 
>>last year or so.
>>
>>First off, they are not supplied by Borg Warner.
>>Nick is attempting to offer a part that is very difficult to locate
>new.
>>Genuine new 
>>old stock originals routinely sell in the range of $350-$600 so he
>wanted to
>>offer a 
>>more reasonable option. Special tooling was designed and made to be
>able to 
>>disassemble these gauges and repurpose them as closer to their
original
>>vintage 
>>counterparts. Where necessary, they are recalibrated and I believe the
>only
>>hourmeters 
>>that do not read 100% correctly are the 60 and 70. Calculations show
>that
>>even these, 
>>over a 10000 hour life of the hourmeter, will read  off by only 5.5
>hours.
>>He 
>>believes, as do I, that that's close enough! As if any of these will
>ever
>>approach 
>>anywhere near 10000 hours again! The faces are made as original and
>install
>>correctly.
>>
>>Nick's a super guy and honest to boot, imagine that. He advertises
>these
>>meters as New 
>>and not New Old Stock. Also, he feels very strongly that if anyone is
>not
>>satisfied he 
>>will refund their money and reverse the transaction. You can't ask for
>any
>>more than 
>>that in my book.
>>
>>All in all, this is a great option to have for a part that is nearly
>>impossible to 
>>locate otherwise unless settling for the more generic meter available
>today.
>>It's all 
>>a question of what type of restoration a collector is involved in.
>>
>>So that's what I know about this subject
>>
>>Feel free to ask questions if need be
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Greg Stephen
>>The Old Tractor Company
>>Stephen Equipment Company
>>PO Box 709
>>Franktown, CO 80116
>>303-663-5246
>>303-468-0377 FAX
>>
>>On Tue Mar  8 11:17 , 'Dean VP' deanvp at att.net> sent:
>>
>>>Dennis:
>>>
>>>These are the same Speed Hour meters Borg Warner sells to JD except
>the
>>>seller (Nick Barbieri (sp?) - NY Fireman) removes the bezel and face
>and
>>>puts on a new face which reads the proper RPM and ground speed for
the
>>>respective tractor. And yes the face then has the old JD part number
>on it
>>>from the 50's, not the subbed number. 
>>>
>>>So a better description would be NEW Borg Warner Speed Hour Meters
>with
>>>modified faces to have correct ground speed and RPM. Not presently
>licensed
>>>by JD. No modifications are made to the gearing, that I am aware of
>just
>>the
>>>face of the meter is matched to the tractor you want. At least not on
>the
>>>one I purchased for a 620. Other models might require gear changes
>too. 
>>>
>>>These read correctly as opposed to the "Universal" Speed Hour Meters
>that
>>JD
>>>sells. I'm not sure about all of these but if the meter and tractor
>are set
>>>up for 1:1 gearing then the "Universal" JD meters just read
>incorrectly on
>>>ground speed, RPM and PTO RPM, not the hour meter. 
>>>
>>>I guess the question mostly is: do you spend $140 on a speed hour
>meter
>>from
>>>JD that reads the hours correctly and everything else is wrong or do
>you
>>>spend another $100.00 + - to get it all correct. 
>>>
>>>I'm a little disappointed in the description that Nick uses in his
>eBay ads
>>>for these. I think he could be a little more forthcoming in the
>description
>>>of what these really are. When I received my meter I was a bit
>disgruntled
>>>by the tool marks on the side of the can which comes from either the
>>removal
>>>or reattachment of the bezel. On first impression I thought I had
>received
>>a
>>>refurbished meter rather than a truly new unit. An incorrect first
>>>impression.
>>>
>>>In checking around, I found out I was going to spend as much or more
>on
>>>refurbishing my original meter vs buying one of these. The advantage
>of
>>>refurbishing an original is that the original hours are maintained if
>they
>>>are truly a reflection of actual hours.  I'm not sure one can depend
>on
>>that
>>>very much. 
>>>
>>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
>>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>>>storeroom door 
>>>
>>>
>>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>>
>>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">anti
q
>ue-jo
>>hndeere-
>>bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Cotton Family
>>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:06 PM
>>>To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>>Subject: RE: [AJD] test and update
>>>
>>>I actually like the other.... Had an image of an IGOR type person
>>>talking...
>>>Funny what prescription pain drugs do for you...
>>>
>>>On another note has anybody seen the new speed hour meters that are
on
>>>eBay? I emailed the seller and they are new productions.. Wonder if
>>>Stuart Warner made him a batch of them..
>>>http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnbfd330
>>>
>>>Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">anti
q
>ue-jo
>>hndeere-
>>bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
>>>Of Kenneth Jones
>>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:09 PM
>>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [AJD] test and update
>>>
>>>Dennis
>>> 
>>>      Last line should have read, " Hope that all is well now "   
>>> 
>>>      Sorry for the retired finger typing...
>>> 
>>>Ken Jones
>>>
>>>Kenneth Jones kenejons61 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Dennis, 
>>>
>>>Glad to hear that you got that thing out in the real world. Hope ass
>is
>>>weel now !!
>>>
>>>
>>>Ken Jones
>>>
>>>Cotton Family wrote:
>>>Well I am alive after giving birth to a 4mm stone... and I have had
>>>problems posting to the list. Just checking.....
>>>
>>>Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
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