[AJD] INFO- Speed Hour Meters

Cotton Family dcotton at coosahs.net
Mon Mar 14 19:51:40 PST 2005


Man I go to work for a week and look what I stirred up... I personally
am glad someone is redoing these.. I had a very hard time finding my 70
gas one, and paid for a rebuilt one.... Rather DEEREly also... but I
needed it for the belt work that I was and will be doing... I might just
get one and hang on to it to have a spare.... Its face looks better than
my original...
Dennis



-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:05 AM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: RE: [AJD] INFO- Speed Hour Meters

Rereading Dana's last post I think I agree with him
"It's as good as it gets"
At least at this stage of the game!
Greg


Greg Stephen
The Old Tractor Company
Stephen Equipment Company
PO Box 709
Franktown, CO 80116
303-663-5246
303-468-0377 FAX<<--GREAT WAY TO REACH ME!

On Fri Mar 11 12:17 , 'Dean VP' <deanvp at att.net> sent:

>Greg:
>
>After a long discussion with Nick, it was my understanding that these
meters
>are originally made new by Borg Warner but then he modifies them to
have a
>reproduction old face put on them that gives the proper RPM, MPH and
PTO
>speed readouts for a specific model tractor and also has the original
part
>number on them as if they were NOS from the 50's. 
>
>And yes, he does describe them as New in his advertisement and not as
NOS.
>It is IMHO slightly misleading as it implies an unmodified New Factory
>Meter. In other words correctly built for each tractor model at the
factory.
>
>
>I would have preferred that he describe them as New Borg Warner meters,
>modified to be correct for the specific model tractor and then there
>wouldn't be any chance of a potential customer thinking that they might
be
>completely new factory standard product with associated factory
warranties,
>etc.
> 
>The statements are generally correct but what is being left out is
important
>information, in my opinion.  I suspect the meters perform as
advertised; it
>is just a matter of perception or first impression that can be a bit
>troublesome. I suspect that the original manufacturer would not honor
their
>warranty, whatever it is, on these modified products. I also suspect
that
>nick will honor a warranty claim but that period or warranty is not
spelled
>out other than satisfaction guaranteed, but no time period is
identified.
>
>At this moment in time I see no reason to hide this information from
>customers or potential customers. Maybe it is a licensing or legal
issue.
>Then there wouldn't be the potential for false expectations and/or
incorrect
>first impressions.  It is the seller's responsibility to set the
customers
>expectations to be slightly less than or equal to the actual product
>received. 
>
>Not a terribly big issue but one that can lead to misunderstandings and
>disagreements. One where either the customer or the seller can be at
fault. 
>
>Dean A. Van Peursem
>Snohomish, WA 98290
>
>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>storeroom door 
>
>
>www.deerelegacy.com
>
>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antiqu
e-johndeere-
bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>greg at theoldtractorcompany.com
>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:32 AM
>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>Subject: RE: [AJD] INFO- Speed Hour Meters
>
>A couple of things on these speed hour meters.
>
>Nick is a friend of mine and we have discussed these meters numerous
times
>over the 
>last year or so.
>
>First off, they are not supplied by Borg Warner.
>Nick is attempting to offer a part that is very difficult to locate
new.
>Genuine new 
>old stock originals routinely sell in the range of $350-$600 so he
wanted to
>offer a 
>more reasonable option. Special tooling was designed and made to be
able to 
>disassemble these gauges and repurpose them as closer to their original
>vintage 
>counterparts. Where necessary, they are recalibrated and I believe the
only
>hourmeters 
>that do not read 100% correctly are the 60 and 70. Calculations show
that
>even these, 
>over a 10000 hour life of the hourmeter, will read  off by only 5.5
hours.
>He 
>believes, as do I, that that's close enough! As if any of these will
ever
>approach 
>anywhere near 10000 hours again! The faces are made as original and
install
>correctly.
>
>Nick's a super guy and honest to boot, imagine that. He advertises
these
>meters as New 
>and not New Old Stock. Also, he feels very strongly that if anyone is
not
>satisfied he 
>will refund their money and reverse the transaction. You can't ask for
any
>more than 
>that in my book.
>
>All in all, this is a great option to have for a part that is nearly
>impossible to 
>locate otherwise unless settling for the more generic meter available
today.
>It's all 
>a question of what type of restoration a collector is involved in.
>
>So that's what I know about this subject
>
>Feel free to ask questions if need be
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>
>Greg Stephen
>The Old Tractor Company
>Stephen Equipment Company
>PO Box 709
>Franktown, CO 80116
>303-663-5246
>303-468-0377 FAX
>
>On Tue Mar  8 11:17 , 'Dean VP' deanvp at att.net> sent:
>
>>Dennis:
>>
>>These are the same Speed Hour meters Borg Warner sells to JD except
the
>>seller (Nick Barbieri (sp?) - NY Fireman) removes the bezel and face
and
>>puts on a new face which reads the proper RPM and ground speed for the
>>respective tractor. And yes the face then has the old JD part number
on it
>>from the 50's, not the subbed number. 
>>
>>So a better description would be NEW Borg Warner Speed Hour Meters
with
>>modified faces to have correct ground speed and RPM. Not presently
licensed
>>by JD. No modifications are made to the gearing, that I am aware of
just
>the
>>face of the meter is matched to the tractor you want. At least not on
the
>>one I purchased for a 620. Other models might require gear changes
too. 
>>
>>These read correctly as opposed to the "Universal" Speed Hour Meters
that
>JD
>>sells. I'm not sure about all of these but if the meter and tractor
are set
>>up for 1:1 gearing then the "Universal" JD meters just read
incorrectly on
>>ground speed, RPM and PTO RPM, not the hour meter. 
>>
>>I guess the question mostly is: do you spend $140 on a speed hour
meter
>from
>>JD that reads the hours correctly and everything else is wrong or do
you
>>spend another $100.00 + - to get it all correct. 
>>
>>I'm a little disappointed in the description that Nick uses in his
eBay ads
>>for these. I think he could be a little more forthcoming in the
description
>>of what these really are. When I received my meter I was a bit
disgruntled
>>by the tool marks on the side of the can which comes from either the
>removal
>>or reattachment of the bezel. On first impression I thought I had
received
>a
>>refurbished meter rather than a truly new unit. An incorrect first
>>impression.
>>
>>In checking around, I found out I was going to spend as much or more
on
>>refurbishing my original meter vs buying one of these. The advantage
of
>>refurbishing an original is that the original hours are maintained if
they
>>are truly a reflection of actual hours.  I'm not sure one can depend
on
>that
>>very much. 
>>
>>Dean A. Van Peursem
>>Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>>storeroom door 
>>
>>
>>www.deerelegacy.com
>>
>>http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antiq
ue-jo
>hndeere-
>bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>Cotton Family
>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:06 PM
>>To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>Subject: RE: [AJD] test and update
>>
>>I actually like the other.... Had an image of an IGOR type person
>>talking...
>>Funny what prescription pain drugs do for you...
>>
>>On another note has anybody seen the new speed hour meters that are on
>>eBay? I emailed the seller and they are new productions.. Wonder if
>>Stuart Warner made him a batch of them..
>>http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnbfd330
>>
>>Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>[antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com','','','')">antiq
ue-jo
>hndeere-
>bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
>>Of Kenneth Jones
>>Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:09 PM
>>To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [AJD] test and update
>>
>>Dennis
>> 
>>      Last line should have read, " Hope that all is well now "   
>> 
>>      Sorry for the retired finger typing...
>> 
>>Ken Jones
>>
>>Kenneth Jones kenejons61 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Dennis, 
>>
>>Glad to hear that you got that thing out in the real world. Hope ass
is
>>weel now !!
>>
>>
>>Ken Jones
>>
>>Cotton Family wrote:
>>Well I am alive after giving birth to a 4mm stone... and I have had
>>problems posting to the list. Just checking.....
>>
>>Dennis
>>
>>
>>
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