[Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements

[ccfrick at cox.net]

Good/great comments Beth.
Curtis
> 
> From: "BETH VANARSDALL" <24port at accesstoledo.com>
> Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 07:10:32 EDT
> To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'" <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Subject: RE: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
> 
> Lawrence,
> 
> You may wish to be careful stating that John worked on the engine "knowing
> the boiler was in shady condition, or at least he should have been aware of
> it."   
> 
> I doubt any of us know the facts of what John knew or conveyed to Cliff and
> others.  Do we have proof that used an ultra sound on the boiler to
> determine its condition?  Do we know (have actual witness accounts) of the
> discussions that he had with Cliff?
> 
> Bottom line is that it was Cliff's responsibility as the engine owner &
> operator know his engine and operate it in a responsible manner.  
> 
> Beth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
> Lawrence Swanz
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:45 AM
> To: Steam-engine mailing list
> Subject: RE: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
> 
> Andre',
> 
> That may be so, "They have money".  But, if my memory serves correctly, I
> believe I read in the Payton report that they tested the valve and it
> wouldn't lift when pressurized to 200 lbs. or so.  But my mental response to
> that statement in the article when I read it was, "an engine of roughly 16
> tons was tossed in the air some 15 to 20 feet and pitched, I believe to the
> right, and landed on its side.  Why would you think that a jar of such
> magnitude wouldn't have an effect on various precision mechanisms as the
> safety valve and pressure gage and other such items.  I agree with an
> earlier email, it wasn't the safety valve that caused the explosion, but a
> combination of low water and an extremely thinned crown sheet.  I believe
> that is why they have gone after John Schrock, he worked on the engine
> knowing the boiler was in shady condition, or at least he should have been
> aware of it.  Bottom line, the sharks are looking for any and everybody that
> they can blame this on to obtai!
>  n more money to line their pockets with.  It was a tragedy in our hobby
> that has haunted us ever since, and will continue to do so.  Let's just hope
> that we all learned a valuable lesson from its outcome.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
> Andre' Blanchard
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:18 AM
> To: Steam-engine mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
> 
> 
> They have money.
> ________
> Andre' B.
> 
> At 09:38 AM 7/13/2005, you wrote:
> >Why is Kunkle Valve being sued as well?  Aren't they safety valve 
> >manufacturers and it was the crown sheet that failed not the safety valve.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Donaldson"
> <ddonaldson at tampatank.com>
> >To: "Steam-engine mailing list" <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:15 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
> >
> >
> >>Beth,
> >>
> >>    It may be none of my business, but why is John Schrock being sued for 
> >> the Medina incident?
> >>
> >>Dan Donaldson
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "BETH VANARSDALL" 
> >><24port at accesstoledo.com>
> >>To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'"
> <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:09 AM
> >>Subject: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
> >>
> >>
> >>>While I hate to bring the subject back up...I received an e-mail from
> >>>England inquiring about the settlement of the lawsuits.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I found an article from the Cleveland Plain Dealer stating that 32 have
> been
> >>>settled, but that the family is still suing John Schrock & Kunkle Valve
> as
> >>>of July 1, 2005.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Might anyone have any FACTS and not spin?  I take news articles with a
> huge
> >>>grain of salt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In the mean time, let us continue a hot & dry (at least in this area)
> safe
> >>>steam season!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>
> >>>Beth
> >>>
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> __________
> Andre' B. 
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