[Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements

[BETH VANARSDALL]

Lawrence,

You may wish to be careful stating that John worked on the engine "knowing
the boiler was in shady condition, or at least he should have been aware of
it."   

I doubt any of us know the facts of what John knew or conveyed to Cliff and
others.  Do we have proof that used an ultra sound on the boiler to
determine its condition?  Do we know (have actual witness accounts) of the
discussions that he had with Cliff?

Bottom line is that it was Cliff's responsibility as the engine owner &
operator know his engine and operate it in a responsible manner.  

Beth


-----Original Message-----
From: steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Lawrence Swanz
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:45 AM
To: Steam-engine mailing list
Subject: RE: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements

Andre',

That may be so, "They have money".  But, if my memory serves correctly, I
believe I read in the Payton report that they tested the valve and it
wouldn't lift when pressurized to 200 lbs. or so.  But my mental response to
that statement in the article when I read it was, "an engine of roughly 16
tons was tossed in the air some 15 to 20 feet and pitched, I believe to the
right, and landed on its side.  Why would you think that a jar of such
magnitude wouldn't have an effect on various precision mechanisms as the
safety valve and pressure gage and other such items.  I agree with an
earlier email, it wasn't the safety valve that caused the explosion, but a
combination of low water and an extremely thinned crown sheet.  I believe
that is why they have gone after John Schrock, he worked on the engine
knowing the boiler was in shady condition, or at least he should have been
aware of it.  Bottom line, the sharks are looking for any and everybody that
they can blame this on to obtai!
 n more money to line their pockets with.  It was a tragedy in our hobby
that has haunted us ever since, and will continue to do so.  Let's just hope
that we all learned a valuable lesson from its outcome.

Lawrence

-----Original Message-----
From: steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:steam-engine-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of
Andre' Blanchard
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:18 AM
To: Steam-engine mailing list
Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements


They have money.
________
Andre' B.

At 09:38 AM 7/13/2005, you wrote:
>Why is Kunkle Valve being sued as well?  Aren't they safety valve 
>manufacturers and it was the crown sheet that failed not the safety valve.
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Donaldson"
<ddonaldson at tampatank.com>
>To: "Steam-engine mailing list" <steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
>
>
>>Beth,
>>
>>    It may be none of my business, but why is John Schrock being sued for 
>> the Medina incident?
>>
>>Dan Donaldson
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "BETH VANARSDALL" 
>><24port at accesstoledo.com>
>>To: "'Steam-engine mailing list'"
<steam-engine at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:09 AM
>>Subject: [Steam-engine] Medina Lawsuit Settlements
>>
>>
>>>While I hate to bring the subject back up...I received an e-mail from
>>>England inquiring about the settlement of the lawsuits.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I found an article from the Cleveland Plain Dealer stating that 32 have
been
>>>settled, but that the family is still suing John Schrock & Kunkle Valve
as
>>>of July 1, 2005.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Might anyone have any FACTS and not spin?  I take news articles with a
huge
>>>grain of salt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>In the mean time, let us continue a hot & dry (at least in this area)
safe
>>>steam season!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Beth
>>>
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But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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__________
Andre' B. 


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