[AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.

Sat Jul 9 21:28:16 PDT 2005

They weren't good sellers because the 6.2 was a pig. Gutless, expensive to
fix, and didn't hold up all that well.

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From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
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> Last I heard was that it is a problem with the transmission fitting in
> the available room. Plus they say the suspension cannot handle the
> weight of that engine trans combo.
> They offered the older 6.2 with the TH400 behind it in the Sub and the
> older Blazers but they were not a big seller, maybe they are just gun
> shy now.
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
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> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:08 PM
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>
>
> > I can't figure out why GM isn't offering the Duramax in the Avalanche,
> > Suburban, Yukon, etc.   I guess it is possibly a supply issue.  As
> much as a
> > loaded out Suburban costs anyway I can't imagine it's because  they
> don't
> > think they can sell them.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
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> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:34 PM
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "ken knierim" <wild1 at cpe-66-1-196-61.az.sprintbbd.net>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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> > > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 18:26, DAVIESW739 at aol.com wrote:
> > >> > > > The military ones are couldn't say for the  civilian models.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I looked under the hood at one... definitely gas powered;
> pretty
> > > sure
> > >> > it
> > >> > > had a GM 350 gas engine (CRS). Apparently you could get a
> diesel
> > > as an
> > >> > > option. H2 models are (I think) exclusively gasoline and
> > > constantly
> > >> > > thirsty. Someone told me (and I don't know otherwise) that the
> > > H2's
> > >> > are
> > >> > > basically a Denali frame with different sheet metal. Many of
> the
> > > folks
> > >> > I
> > >> > > see with H2's could get by with an Escalade... they get more
> use
> > >> > status
> > >> > > symbol than a 4 wheel drive vehicle.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ah, well... I gripe about buying gas for my Blazer. I can't
> > > imagine
> > >> > > buying a NEW vehicle. :^)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ken
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > H1- Diesel ( Duramax 6.6L ) Allison auto. Original Hummer,
> purpose
> > > built
> > >> > chassis, gear reduction hubs with 16" of ground clearance
> > >> > Dressed up with insulation and padded interior. Still as rugged
> as
> > > the
> > >> > military model, just more comfortable.
> > >>
> > >> The H1 I looked at had a gas engine in it; it was an civilian early
> > > one.
> > >> It was my understanding that the Duramax (and the Allison they put
> > >> behind it) came out after the H1's were in production. I believe
> they
> > >> were using the earlier GM normally aspirated version at the time.
> > > Maybe
> > >> they went to the Duramax later?
> > >>
> > >> Certainly the turbodiesel would be a step in the right direction
> for
> > >> something like this. I had heard that they put the gasoline engine
> in
> > >> them so that civilians could drive them in traffic; there seemed to
> be
> > >> some concerns with the diesel, emissions, and folks who didn't know
> > > how
> > >> to drive them. This was quite some time ago and CRS may apply...
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > H2- Gas ( Vortec 6.0L ) First civilian only vehicle. Actually
> > > nothing
> > >> > more than a chopped Chevy Yukon  chassis with a body styled after
> > > the
> > >> > H1.
> > >> > 9.5" ground clearance.
> > >> >
> > >> > H2 SUT- Gas  ( Vortec 6.0L ), Hummer version of the Avalanche
> > >> >
> > >> > H3- Gas (Vortec 3.5L). Only Hummer vehicle that has a manual
> trans
> > >> > available. Based on the Trailblazer chassis.
> > >> >
> > >> > They all have the aerodynamics of a brick on stilts. The H1
> handles
> > >> > pretty good IF you pay attention. The H2 is top heavy and wallows
> > > like a
> > >> > pig.
> > >> > Have been in one H3 so far. Think SARDINES.
> > >>
> > >> Does not paint a very appealing picture. I HAVE seen what the
> civilian
> > >> H1's are capable of out in the desert. Other than taking the whole
> > > road
> > >> and the shoulders too, they seem to be very capable vehicles (if
> you
> > > get
> > >> someone that's not afraid of scratching the paint or skid plates).
> But
> > >> after hearing horror stories about maintenance I'm very happy with
> my
> > >> Blazer. I know I can get parts for it when I break something. :^)
> > >
> > > True the Duramax came out later BUT the original engine for all H1s
> was
> > > diesel. Usually the 6.2 either multifuel (military) or diesel
> > > (civilian). A gas engine swap is very easy with the earlier ones
> since
> > > they used a GM TH400 transmission. I know of two companies that were
> > > doing the swaps because the original diesel was a real dog on the
> > > highway. Top speed was only 70 mph and forget about trying to pass.
> The
> > > gas conversions used GM crate engines, 350 or 454 are both real
> popular
> > > and looked factory, but they were not. Maintainance isn't real bad
> IF it
> > > is related to the engine or trans. Suspension or gearbox you don't
> want
> > > to know about. I had one in the shop that the guy had damaged the
> outer
> > > gear reduction drop box/spindle assy. $1,200.00 just for the
> parts!!!!!.
> > > Plus because both ends have independent suspension with
> interchangable
> > > parts you really have fun doing alignments. Add in the skid plates
> and
> > > rock bars that you have to remove to work on most of the parts and
> it
> > > gets fun....
> > > Off road the Hummer rules the domestic market for real capabilities
> IF
> > > the trail is wide enough. It is possible to get them buried but you
> have
> > > to be trying or stupid.
> > >
> > > The H2 was built for one reason. MONEY. GM "heard" a lot of folks
> wanted
> > > the abilities of the H1 in a smaller and more comfortable status
> symbol
> > > vehicle. It's largest fault so far is the lovely GM/Eaton rear
> > > differential. The G80 option for Rear Differential Limited Slip.
> Should
> > > be called the Rear Grenade Posing as a Differential. If they make it
> > > past 40K miles your doing REALLY good. When they finally fail they
> go
> > > out with a BANG.
> > >
> > > The H3 was made for the city yuppy who is having a tough time
> parking
> > > the H2 in the small parking spots.... Off road they are a JOKE. I
> don't
> > > know how GM did it but they made the interior smaller than it's
> parent
> > > vehicle. The rear seat is ok for two but for the 3 it supposedly
> handles
> > > you better be on REAL good speaking terms OR be the size of 10 year
> old
> > > children.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Williams
> > > Near Cooperstown, New York
> > >
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