[AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.

Sat Jul 9 08:31:15 PDT 2005

Thanks Steve,

I think the Chevy/GMC trucks are up for a redesign soon.  Maybe the changes 
will show up then.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.

> Charlie,
>   The main frame rails are the same but the body mounts and tunnel size
> is different. The front suspension is almost the same as well. The folks
> I talked to were hinting at GM possibly using a newer diesel in the Sub
> IF the numbers were justified for it. Another said that the main problem
> was weight. That the Duramax/Allison was so heavy that with the
> additional weight the Sub lost a lot of load capacity. Personally I
> don't see a big deal there since I hardly ever see one with a load in
> it, they are mainly tow vehicles. BUT who knows.
>
> Steve Williams
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
>
>
>> Steve,  Isn't the Suburban chasis (2500 series suburbans) the same as
> the
>> 2500 series Silverado/Sierra pickups?  They put the Duramax in the the
>> pickups but not in the SUV's
>>
>> Charlie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
>>
>>
>> > Last I heard was that it is a problem with the transmission fitting
> in
>> > the available room. Plus they say the suspension cannot handle the
>> > weight of that engine trans combo.
>> > They offered the older 6.2 with the TH400 behind it in the Sub and
> the
>> > older Blazers but they were not a big seller, maybe they are just
> gun
>> > shy now.
>> >
>> > Steve Williams
>> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:08 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I can't figure out why GM isn't offering the Duramax in the
> Avalanche,
>> >> Suburban, Yukon, etc.   I guess it is possibly a supply issue.  As
>> > much as a
>> >> loaded out Suburban costs anyway I can't imagine it's because  they
>> > don't
>> >> think they can sell them.
>> >>
>> >> Charlie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
>> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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>> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:34 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "ken knierim" <wild1 at cpe-66-1-196-61.az.sprintbbd.net>
>> >> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>> >> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:37 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 18:26, DAVIESW739 at aol.com wrote:
>> >> >> > > > The military ones are couldn't say for the  civilian
> models.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I looked under the hood at one... definitely gas powered;
>> > pretty
>> >> > sure
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > > had a GM 350 gas engine (CRS). Apparently you could get a
>> > diesel
>> >> > as an
>> >> >> > > option. H2 models are (I think) exclusively gasoline and
>> >> > constantly
>> >> >> > > thirsty. Someone told me (and I don't know otherwise) that
> the
>> >> > H2's
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > > basically a Denali frame with different sheet metal. Many of
>> > the
>> >> > folks
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > > see with H2's could get by with an Escalade... they get more
>> > use
>> >> >> > status
>> >> >> > > symbol than a 4 wheel drive vehicle.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Ah, well... I gripe about buying gas for my Blazer. I can't
>> >> > imagine
>> >> >> > > buying a NEW vehicle. :^)
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Ken
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > H1- Diesel ( Duramax 6.6L ) Allison auto. Original Hummer,
>> > purpose
>> >> > built
>> >> >> > chassis, gear reduction hubs with 16" of ground clearance
>> >> >> > Dressed up with insulation and padded interior. Still as
> rugged
>> > as
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > military model, just more comfortable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The H1 I looked at had a gas engine in it; it was an civilian
> early
>> >> > one.
>> >> >> It was my understanding that the Duramax (and the Allison they
> put
>> >> >> behind it) came out after the H1's were in production. I believe
>> > they
>> >> >> were using the earlier GM normally aspirated version at the
> time.
>> >> > Maybe
>> >> >> they went to the Duramax later?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Certainly the turbodiesel would be a step in the right direction
>> > for
>> >> >> something like this. I had heard that they put the gasoline
> engine
>> > in
>> >> >> them so that civilians could drive them in traffic; there seemed
> to
>> > be
>> >> >> some concerns with the diesel, emissions, and folks who didn't
> know
>> >> > how
>> >> >> to drive them. This was quite some time ago and CRS may apply...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > H2- Gas ( Vortec 6.0L ) First civilian only vehicle. Actually
>> >> > nothing
>> >> >> > more than a chopped Chevy Yukon  chassis with a body styled
> after
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > H1.
>> >> >> > 9.5" ground clearance.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > H2 SUT- Gas  ( Vortec 6.0L ), Hummer version of the Avalanche
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > H3- Gas (Vortec 3.5L). Only Hummer vehicle that has a manual
>> > trans
>> >> >> > available. Based on the Trailblazer chassis.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They all have the aerodynamics of a brick on stilts. The H1
>> > handles
>> >> >> > pretty good IF you pay attention. The H2 is top heavy and
> wallows
>> >> > like a
>> >> >> > pig.
>> >> >> > Have been in one H3 so far. Think SARDINES.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Does not paint a very appealing picture. I HAVE seen what the
>> > civilian
>> >> >> H1's are capable of out in the desert. Other than taking the
> whole
>> >> > road
>> >> >> and the shoulders too, they seem to be very capable vehicles (if
>> > you
>> >> > get
>> >> >> someone that's not afraid of scratching the paint or skid
> plates).
>> > But
>> >> >> after hearing horror stories about maintenance I'm very happy
> with
>> > my
>> >> >> Blazer. I know I can get parts for it when I break something.
> :^)
>> >> >
>> >> > True the Duramax came out later BUT the original engine for all
> H1s
>> > was
>> >> > diesel. Usually the 6.2 either multifuel (military) or diesel
>> >> > (civilian). A gas engine swap is very easy with the earlier ones
>> > since
>> >> > they used a GM TH400 transmission. I know of two companies that
> were
>> >> > doing the swaps because the original diesel was a real dog on the
>> >> > highway. Top speed was only 70 mph and forget about trying to
> pass.
>> > The
>> >> > gas conversions used GM crate engines, 350 or 454 are both real
>> > popular
>> >> > and looked factory, but they were not. Maintainance isn't real
> bad
>> > IF it
>> >> > is related to the engine or trans. Suspension or gearbox you
> don't
>> > want
>> >> > to know about. I had one in the shop that the guy had damaged the
>> > outer
>> >> > gear reduction drop box/spindle assy. $1,200.00 just for the
>> > parts!!!!!.
>> >> > Plus because both ends have independent suspension with
>> > interchangable
>> >> > parts you really have fun doing alignments. Add in the skid
> plates
>> > and
>> >> > rock bars that you have to remove to work on most of the parts
> and
>> > it
>> >> > gets fun....
>> >> > Off road the Hummer rules the domestic market for real
> capabilities
>> > IF
>> >> > the trail is wide enough. It is possible to get them buried but
> you
>> > have
>> >> > to be trying or stupid.
>> >> >
>> >> > The H2 was built for one reason. MONEY. GM "heard" a lot of folks
>> > wanted
>> >> > the abilities of the H1 in a smaller and more comfortable status
>> > symbol
>> >> > vehicle. It's largest fault so far is the lovely GM/Eaton rear
>> >> > differential. The G80 option for Rear Differential Limited Slip.
>> > Should
>> >> > be called the Rear Grenade Posing as a Differential. If they make
> it
>> >> > past 40K miles your doing REALLY good. When they finally fail
> they
>> > go
>> >> > out with a BANG.
>> >> >
>> >> > The H3 was made for the city yuppy who is having a tough time
>> > parking
>> >> > the H2 in the small parking spots.... Off road they are a JOKE. I
>> > don't
>> >> > know how GM did it but they made the interior smaller than it's
>> > parent
>> >> > vehicle. The rear seat is ok for two but for the 3 it supposedly
>> > handles
>> >> > you better be on REAL good speaking terms OR be the size of 10
> year
>> > old
>> >> > children.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Steve Williams
>> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> >> >
>> >> >
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