[AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
Steve W.
falcon at telenet.net
Sat Jul 9 07:37:52 PDT 2005
Charlie,
The main frame rails are the same but the body mounts and tunnel size
is different. The front suspension is almost the same as well. The folks
I talked to were hinting at GM possibly using a newer diesel in the Sub
IF the numbers were justified for it. Another said that the main problem
was weight. That the Duramax/Allison was so heavy that with the
additional weight the Sub lost a lot of load capacity. Personally I
don't see a big deal there since I hardly ever see one with a load in
it, they are mainly tow vehicles. BUT who knows.
Steve Williams
----- Original Message -----
From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
> Steve, Isn't the Suburban chasis (2500 series suburbans) the same as
the
> 2500 series Silverado/Sierra pickups? They put the Duramax in the the
> pickups but not in the SUV's
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
>
>
> > Last I heard was that it is a problem with the transmission fitting
in
> > the available room. Plus they say the suspension cannot handle the
> > weight of that engine trans combo.
> > They offered the older 6.2 with the TH400 behind it in the Sub and
the
> > older Blazers but they were not a big seller, maybe they are just
gun
> > shy now.
> >
> > Steve Williams
> > Near Cooperstown, New York
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
> >
> >
> >> I can't figure out why GM isn't offering the Duramax in the
Avalanche,
> >> Suburban, Yukon, etc. I guess it is possibly a supply issue. As
> > much as a
> >> loaded out Suburban costs anyway I can't imagine it's because they
> > don't
> >> think they can sell them.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
> >> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "ken knierim" <wild1 at cpe-66-1-196-61.az.sprintbbd.net>
> >> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> >> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:37 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 18:26, DAVIESW739 at aol.com wrote:
> >> >> > > > The military ones are couldn't say for the civilian
models.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I looked under the hood at one... definitely gas powered;
> > pretty
> >> > sure
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > > had a GM 350 gas engine (CRS). Apparently you could get a
> > diesel
> >> > as an
> >> >> > > option. H2 models are (I think) exclusively gasoline and
> >> > constantly
> >> >> > > thirsty. Someone told me (and I don't know otherwise) that
the
> >> > H2's
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > > basically a Denali frame with different sheet metal. Many of
> > the
> >> > folks
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > > see with H2's could get by with an Escalade... they get more
> > use
> >> >> > status
> >> >> > > symbol than a 4 wheel drive vehicle.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ah, well... I gripe about buying gas for my Blazer. I can't
> >> > imagine
> >> >> > > buying a NEW vehicle. :^)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Ken
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > H1- Diesel ( Duramax 6.6L ) Allison auto. Original Hummer,
> > purpose
> >> > built
> >> >> > chassis, gear reduction hubs with 16" of ground clearance
> >> >> > Dressed up with insulation and padded interior. Still as
rugged
> > as
> >> > the
> >> >> > military model, just more comfortable.
> >> >>
> >> >> The H1 I looked at had a gas engine in it; it was an civilian
early
> >> > one.
> >> >> It was my understanding that the Duramax (and the Allison they
put
> >> >> behind it) came out after the H1's were in production. I believe
> > they
> >> >> were using the earlier GM normally aspirated version at the
time.
> >> > Maybe
> >> >> they went to the Duramax later?
> >> >>
> >> >> Certainly the turbodiesel would be a step in the right direction
> > for
> >> >> something like this. I had heard that they put the gasoline
engine
> > in
> >> >> them so that civilians could drive them in traffic; there seemed
to
> > be
> >> >> some concerns with the diesel, emissions, and folks who didn't
know
> >> > how
> >> >> to drive them. This was quite some time ago and CRS may apply...
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > H2- Gas ( Vortec 6.0L ) First civilian only vehicle. Actually
> >> > nothing
> >> >> > more than a chopped Chevy Yukon chassis with a body styled
after
> >> > the
> >> >> > H1.
> >> >> > 9.5" ground clearance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > H2 SUT- Gas ( Vortec 6.0L ), Hummer version of the Avalanche
> >> >> >
> >> >> > H3- Gas (Vortec 3.5L). Only Hummer vehicle that has a manual
> > trans
> >> >> > available. Based on the Trailblazer chassis.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They all have the aerodynamics of a brick on stilts. The H1
> > handles
> >> >> > pretty good IF you pay attention. The H2 is top heavy and
wallows
> >> > like a
> >> >> > pig.
> >> >> > Have been in one H3 so far. Think SARDINES.
> >> >>
> >> >> Does not paint a very appealing picture. I HAVE seen what the
> > civilian
> >> >> H1's are capable of out in the desert. Other than taking the
whole
> >> > road
> >> >> and the shoulders too, they seem to be very capable vehicles (if
> > you
> >> > get
> >> >> someone that's not afraid of scratching the paint or skid
plates).
> > But
> >> >> after hearing horror stories about maintenance I'm very happy
with
> > my
> >> >> Blazer. I know I can get parts for it when I break something.
:^)
> >> >
> >> > True the Duramax came out later BUT the original engine for all
H1s
> > was
> >> > diesel. Usually the 6.2 either multifuel (military) or diesel
> >> > (civilian). A gas engine swap is very easy with the earlier ones
> > since
> >> > they used a GM TH400 transmission. I know of two companies that
were
> >> > doing the swaps because the original diesel was a real dog on the
> >> > highway. Top speed was only 70 mph and forget about trying to
pass.
> > The
> >> > gas conversions used GM crate engines, 350 or 454 are both real
> > popular
> >> > and looked factory, but they were not. Maintainance isn't real
bad
> > IF it
> >> > is related to the engine or trans. Suspension or gearbox you
don't
> > want
> >> > to know about. I had one in the shop that the guy had damaged the
> > outer
> >> > gear reduction drop box/spindle assy. $1,200.00 just for the
> > parts!!!!!.
> >> > Plus because both ends have independent suspension with
> > interchangable
> >> > parts you really have fun doing alignments. Add in the skid
plates
> > and
> >> > rock bars that you have to remove to work on most of the parts
and
> > it
> >> > gets fun....
> >> > Off road the Hummer rules the domestic market for real
capabilities
> > IF
> >> > the trail is wide enough. It is possible to get them buried but
you
> > have
> >> > to be trying or stupid.
> >> >
> >> > The H2 was built for one reason. MONEY. GM "heard" a lot of folks
> > wanted
> >> > the abilities of the H1 in a smaller and more comfortable status
> > symbol
> >> > vehicle. It's largest fault so far is the lovely GM/Eaton rear
> >> > differential. The G80 option for Rear Differential Limited Slip.
> > Should
> >> > be called the Rear Grenade Posing as a Differential. If they make
it
> >> > past 40K miles your doing REALLY good. When they finally fail
they
> > go
> >> > out with a BANG.
> >> >
> >> > The H3 was made for the city yuppy who is having a tough time
> > parking
> >> > the H2 in the small parking spots.... Off road they are a JOKE. I
> > don't
> >> > know how GM did it but they made the interior smaller than it's
> > parent
> >> > vehicle. The rear seat is ok for two but for the 3 it supposedly
> > handles
> >> > you better be on REAL good speaking terms OR be the size of 10
year
> > old
> >> > children.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Steve Williams
> >> > Near Cooperstown, New York
> >> >
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