[AT] smoking/gas bottles, now O.T.

Sat Jul 9 04:32:11 PDT 2005

Steve,  Isn't the Suburban chasis (2500 series suburbans) the same as the 
2500 series Silverado/Sierra pickups?  They put the Duramax in the the 
pickups but not in the SUV's

Charlie
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From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
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> Last I heard was that it is a problem with the transmission fitting in
> the available room. Plus they say the suspension cannot handle the
> weight of that engine trans combo.
> They offered the older 6.2 with the TH400 behind it in the Sub and the
> older Blazers but they were not a big seller, maybe they are just gun
> shy now.
>
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown, New York
>
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>
>
>> I can't figure out why GM isn't offering the Duramax in the Avalanche,
>> Suburban, Yukon, etc.   I guess it is possibly a supply issue.  As
> much as a
>> loaded out Suburban costs anyway I can't imagine it's because  they
> don't
>> think they can sell them.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>
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>>
>>
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "ken knierim" <wild1 at cpe-66-1-196-61.az.sprintbbd.net>
>> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 18:26, DAVIESW739 at aol.com wrote:
>> >> > > > The military ones are couldn't say for the  civilian models.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I looked under the hood at one... definitely gas powered;
> pretty
>> > sure
>> >> > it
>> >> > > had a GM 350 gas engine (CRS). Apparently you could get a
> diesel
>> > as an
>> >> > > option. H2 models are (I think) exclusively gasoline and
>> > constantly
>> >> > > thirsty. Someone told me (and I don't know otherwise) that the
>> > H2's
>> >> > are
>> >> > > basically a Denali frame with different sheet metal. Many of
> the
>> > folks
>> >> > I
>> >> > > see with H2's could get by with an Escalade... they get more
> use
>> >> > status
>> >> > > symbol than a 4 wheel drive vehicle.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Ah, well... I gripe about buying gas for my Blazer. I can't
>> > imagine
>> >> > > buying a NEW vehicle. :^)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Ken
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > H1- Diesel ( Duramax 6.6L ) Allison auto. Original Hummer,
> purpose
>> > built
>> >> > chassis, gear reduction hubs with 16" of ground clearance
>> >> > Dressed up with insulation and padded interior. Still as rugged
> as
>> > the
>> >> > military model, just more comfortable.
>> >>
>> >> The H1 I looked at had a gas engine in it; it was an civilian early
>> > one.
>> >> It was my understanding that the Duramax (and the Allison they put
>> >> behind it) came out after the H1's were in production. I believe
> they
>> >> were using the earlier GM normally aspirated version at the time.
>> > Maybe
>> >> they went to the Duramax later?
>> >>
>> >> Certainly the turbodiesel would be a step in the right direction
> for
>> >> something like this. I had heard that they put the gasoline engine
> in
>> >> them so that civilians could drive them in traffic; there seemed to
> be
>> >> some concerns with the diesel, emissions, and folks who didn't know
>> > how
>> >> to drive them. This was quite some time ago and CRS may apply...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > H2- Gas ( Vortec 6.0L ) First civilian only vehicle. Actually
>> > nothing
>> >> > more than a chopped Chevy Yukon  chassis with a body styled after
>> > the
>> >> > H1.
>> >> > 9.5" ground clearance.
>> >> >
>> >> > H2 SUT- Gas  ( Vortec 6.0L ), Hummer version of the Avalanche
>> >> >
>> >> > H3- Gas (Vortec 3.5L). Only Hummer vehicle that has a manual
> trans
>> >> > available. Based on the Trailblazer chassis.
>> >> >
>> >> > They all have the aerodynamics of a brick on stilts. The H1
> handles
>> >> > pretty good IF you pay attention. The H2 is top heavy and wallows
>> > like a
>> >> > pig.
>> >> > Have been in one H3 so far. Think SARDINES.
>> >>
>> >> Does not paint a very appealing picture. I HAVE seen what the
> civilian
>> >> H1's are capable of out in the desert. Other than taking the whole
>> > road
>> >> and the shoulders too, they seem to be very capable vehicles (if
> you
>> > get
>> >> someone that's not afraid of scratching the paint or skid plates).
> But
>> >> after hearing horror stories about maintenance I'm very happy with
> my
>> >> Blazer. I know I can get parts for it when I break something. :^)
>> >
>> > True the Duramax came out later BUT the original engine for all H1s
> was
>> > diesel. Usually the 6.2 either multifuel (military) or diesel
>> > (civilian). A gas engine swap is very easy with the earlier ones
> since
>> > they used a GM TH400 transmission. I know of two companies that were
>> > doing the swaps because the original diesel was a real dog on the
>> > highway. Top speed was only 70 mph and forget about trying to pass.
> The
>> > gas conversions used GM crate engines, 350 or 454 are both real
> popular
>> > and looked factory, but they were not. Maintainance isn't real bad
> IF it
>> > is related to the engine or trans. Suspension or gearbox you don't
> want
>> > to know about. I had one in the shop that the guy had damaged the
> outer
>> > gear reduction drop box/spindle assy. $1,200.00 just for the
> parts!!!!!.
>> > Plus because both ends have independent suspension with
> interchangable
>> > parts you really have fun doing alignments. Add in the skid plates
> and
>> > rock bars that you have to remove to work on most of the parts and
> it
>> > gets fun....
>> > Off road the Hummer rules the domestic market for real capabilities
> IF
>> > the trail is wide enough. It is possible to get them buried but you
> have
>> > to be trying or stupid.
>> >
>> > The H2 was built for one reason. MONEY. GM "heard" a lot of folks
> wanted
>> > the abilities of the H1 in a smaller and more comfortable status
> symbol
>> > vehicle. It's largest fault so far is the lovely GM/Eaton rear
>> > differential. The G80 option for Rear Differential Limited Slip.
> Should
>> > be called the Rear Grenade Posing as a Differential. If they make it
>> > past 40K miles your doing REALLY good. When they finally fail they
> go
>> > out with a BANG.
>> >
>> > The H3 was made for the city yuppy who is having a tough time
> parking
>> > the H2 in the small parking spots.... Off road they are a JOKE. I
> don't
>> > know how GM did it but they made the interior smaller than it's
> parent
>> > vehicle. The rear seat is ok for two but for the 3 it supposedly
> handles
>> > you better be on REAL good speaking terms OR be the size of 10 year
> old
>> > children.
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve Williams
>> > Near Cooperstown, New York
>> >
>> >
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