[AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs

Frank gremaux at tein.net
Fri Jan 21 15:53:00 PST 2005


wrong wrong
it is fed laws......
however it is enforced by the state and depending on how much beer money 
they have in their coffers will depend on how the interpret

Frank
gremaux at tein.net
Central Montana
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis" <louis at kellnet.com>
To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'" 
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs


> It all depends on the state you are in.  Some states wants all
> commercial trucks pulling across the scales. Also, the weight
> requirements vary from state to state.  I rather pull across the scales
> when I have my trailer on, than run the risk of getting a ticket for
> blowing by the scales.  In the past 15 years, I have only been red
> lighted three times, because of over zealous DOT workers. Of the three
> times, I only received one ticket. That was in Maryland. See previous
> post.  I was red lighted in Des Moines, IA, on I-80.  The one employee
> told me his boss hates small rigs (pickups and goosenecks).  He was
> instructed to red light all small rigs.  His boss told him if it is
> between red lighting a small rig (in good shape) or a large junk rig,
> get the small rig. The guy looked over my paper work and walked out and
> took a quick look at the truck and trailer and let me go.
>
> My truck is licensed with commercial plates because of the nature of my
> business.  I think it is cheaper to buy the proper plates, than getting
> a huge fine, because I wanted to save a couple of bucks on plates.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Smolkowski
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:47 AM
> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: RE: [AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs
>
>
>
> Out here in the west, I always thought that if you were hauling
> non-commercial and total weight was under 26,000lbs, you did not
> need to stop at the scales.  Is that not the case?   A few years
> ago I tried to stop and the guy looked at me funny and waved me through.
>
>
> Quoting Louis <louis at kellnet.com>:
>
>> In 2003, I was hauling a John Deere D from Ohio to Richmond, VA.  I
>> was on I-70, I figured that I was going miss the rush hour traffic
>> around DC.  Well, that all changed when I pulled across the scales in
>> Hagerstown, MD.  I have a 2000 Ford F-350 and a 2000 Keifer gooseneck
>> trailer (GVWR 29,900#).  I was red lighted at the scales.  I went into
>
>> the scale house. The state trooper came out of the restroom and barked
>
>> at the civilian employee three times asking him if I was overweight.
>> The civilian employee answered him all three times "no".  The state
>> trooper started to get nasty with me right off the bat.  I told him,
>> "I will be very cooperative with you, as long as you stop being
>> nasty." He checked my log, paperwork, license, etc. Nothing wrong
>> there.  He climbed all over my truck and trailer for two hours. All he
>
>> could find was one of the bulbs in a side marker on my trailer was
>> burned out, the other bulb in it was working (there are two bulbs in
>> the marker lights). He wrote me a ticket, it cost $78. His last nasty
>> remark was if you want to fight it, the court date is on the ticket.
>> I kept my mouth shut through this situation, I realized right away he
>> was a power hungry jerk.
>>
>> When I got out of there, I hit DC right during rush hour.  I was 5
>> hours late getting to Richmond.
>>
>> I guess the point of this is, the DOT guys need to use common sense.
>> But I guess when you have a job like that you don't have to.  I have
>> seen OSHA, DOT, ODA (Ohio Dept of Ag.), EPA, etc... Have their heads
>> so far up their rearends that they have deprived themselves of oxygen
>> for to long, now they either don't know how to or can't think with
>> common sense. They go by the book, which in most case was written by
>> someone that doesn't have a clue and has to justify their job.
>>
>> I bet most of you don't know this OSHA regulation: It is against the
>> law to let anyone ride on a wagon, on a farm, for any purpose.  It is
>> kind of hard to bale hay or straw that way. We found this out from an
>> OSHA investigator in the late 70's, when we had an accident on the
>> farm and an employee got injured. I can ramble a whole lot more, but I
>
>> will quit here.
>>
>> Lou
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
>
>> Of Steve Treimer
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:17 AM
>> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> Subject: [AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs
>>
>>
>> Frank,
>> I love your attitude and I think you're exactly right.  I've heard
>> from more than one person that you're basically at the mercy of the
>> DOT guys if they decide you're the one they want to pull over.
>> They're going to have SOMETHING to say if they take the effort and
>> time to pull you over. Last year my wife talked with Sgt. Reinhart of
>> the Iowa DOT and he pretty much says what you said, verbatim.  He blew
>
>> off a few of our local club members' big worries about battery backup
>> braking capabilities, chain binders, 4 corners, middle tie downs,
>> safety striping.  His basic explanation was that for PERSONAL,
>> in-state use and travel, you need a chain front and back, both chains
>> must equal or exceed the load and each chain must have a binder.  But
>> I appreciated his summary: "Basically if we feel you're not safe on
>> the road or using common sense we're going to write you up for
>> something." But that was a year ago, everyone needs more funding this
>> year. Steve
>>
>> --- Frank <gremaux at tein.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't listen to lectures.......I tell them if they are going to
>> > see me in court the write it up (they won't because they know
>> > better)other
>>
>> > wise get
>> > out of my way as I have work to do....
>> >
>> >
>> > you use one chain and two binders and loop in the middle......it is
>> > acceptable....if they do not believe then threaten to cut the
>> > loop.........ah ha! 2 chains now exist......
>> >
>> > Frank
>> > gremaux at tein.net
>> > Central Montana http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ed Allandar" <eallandar at rohrerbus.com>
>> > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>> > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:01 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
>> >
>> >
>> > > My understanding is it must be individual binders. I was lectured
>> > about
>> > > using one chain by the Pa. State Police.
>> > >
>> > > Ed Allandar
>> > > Vice President
>> > > Rohrer Bus
>> > > P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road
>> > > Duncannon, PA 17020-0100
>> > > 717.957.5114 Direct
>> > > 717.418.4401 Cell
>> > > 1-800-735-6700 x223 Toll free
>> > > 717.957.4884 (fax)
>> > > eallandar at rohrerbus.com
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > > rick
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:31 PM
>> > > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> > > Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Does the tractor need to have 4 individual chains and 4
>> > binders.....or can
>> > > you use 2 chains and 4 binders(one on each corner)?....Rick
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Ed Allandar" <eallandar at rohrerbus.com>
>> > > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>> > > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:05 PM
>> > > Subject: RE: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> I deal with the Sate Police here in Pennsylvania on a regular
>> > basis, the
>> > >> Motor Carrier Enforcement guys say GVW combination of the ENTIRE
>> > rig is
>> > > the
>> > >> determining factor. 4 corner tie down is the rule here!
>> > >>
>> > >> Ed Allandar
>> > >> Vice President
>> > >> Rohrer Bus
>> > >> P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road
>> > >> Duncannon, PA 17020-0100
>> > >> 717.957.5114 Direct
>> > >> 717.418.4401 Cell
>> > >> 1-800-735-6700 x223 Toll free
>> > >> 717.957.4884 (fax)
>> > >> eallandar at rohrerbus.com
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > >> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > >> Mitchell Daly
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:10 AM
>> > >> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
>> > >> Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Frank,
>> > >>
>> > >> Is it the load you're carrying or the GVW of the whole unit -
>> > truck,
>> > > trailer
>> > >> and load that the 10k is based on? I have a client who is a Lt.
>> > with the
>> > >> Maryland State Police in the Commercial Vehicle Inspection and he
>> > has led
>> > > me
>> > >> to believe that it is the GVW of the whole unit.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mitch Daly
>> > >> md31043 at msn.com<mailto:md31043 at msn.com>
>> > >>   ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>   From: Frank<mailto:gremaux at tein.net>
>> > >>   To: Antique John Deere mailing
>> > >> list<mailto:antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > >>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:06 PM
>> > >>   Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>   only if the tractor weights over 10000 pounds...
>> > >>   Federal Law.....you can look it up on the Federal DOT rules
>> > online
>> > >>   Frank
>> > >>   gremaux at tein.net<mailto:gremaux at tein.net>
>> > >>   Central Montana
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html<http://www.angelfire.co
>> m/
>> mt/d
>> > >> eeregp/index.html>
>> > >>   ----- Original Message -----
>> > >>   From: "Steve Barr"
>> > >> <stevebarr at ameritech.net<mailto:stevebarr at ameritech.net>>
>> > >>   To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com<mailto:antique-johndeere@
>> li
>> sts.
>> > >> antique-tractor.com>>
>> > >>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:37 AM
>> > >>   Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > I noticed that it appears that this person has the tractor
>> > tied down
>> > > to
>> > >>   > the trailer with 4 independent chains/binders.  I had heard
>> > somewhere
>> > >> that
>> > >>   > this is a new federal law, but have yet to find a source
>> > confirming
>> > > it.
>> > >>   > Does anyone have any information about this???  I would like
>> > to find
>> > >> out.
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > Thanks
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > Steve
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > ---
>> > >>   > On Mon Jan 17  1:45 , 'Brandon Knapp'
>> > >> <lneuwirth at eriecoast.com<mailto:lneuwirth at eriecoast.com>> sent:
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > I just happened to see this GP on Ebay. I'm not interested in
>> > buying,
>> > >> but
>> > >>   > the rear wheels look interesting:
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll\?ViewItem&item=3866483333<http://
>> cg
>> i.eb
>> > >> ay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll/?ViewItem&item=3866483333>
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > Does anybody know anything about them? Factory or rig job?
>> > Seems most
>> > >>   > likely to be a rig job to me, buy you never know?
>> > >>   >
>> > >>   > Thanks,
>> > >>   > Brandon
>> > >>   >
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