[AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs

Kevin Smolkowski kev at smolkowski.com
Fri Jan 21 08:47:27 PST 2005 

Out here in the west, I always thought that if you were hauling
non-commercial and total weight was under 26,000lbs, you did not
need to stop at the scales.  Is that not the case?   A few years
ago I tried to stop and the guy looked at me funny and waved me
through.


Quoting Louis <louis at kellnet.com>:

> In 2003, I was hauling a John Deere D from Ohio to Richmond, VA.  I was
> on I-70, I figured that I was going miss the rush hour traffic around
> DC.  Well, that all changed when I pulled across the scales in
> Hagerstown, MD.  I have a 2000 Ford F-350 and a 2000 Keifer gooseneck
> trailer (GVWR 29,900#).  I was red lighted at the scales.  I went into
> the scale house. The state trooper came out of the restroom and barked
> at the civilian employee three times asking him if I was overweight.
> The civilian employee answered him all three times "no".  The state
> trooper started to get nasty with me right off the bat.  I told him, "I
> will be very cooperative with you, as long as you stop being nasty." He
> checked my log, paperwork, license, etc. Nothing wrong there.  He
> climbed all over my truck and trailer for two hours. All he could find
> was one of the bulbs in a side marker on my trailer was burned out, the
> other bulb in it was working (there are two bulbs in the marker lights).
> He wrote me a ticket, it cost $78. His last nasty remark was if you want
> to fight it, the court date is on the ticket.  I kept my mouth shut
> through this situation, I realized right away he was a power hungry
> jerk.
>
> When I got out of there, I hit DC right during rush hour.  I was 5 hours
> late getting to Richmond.
>
> I guess the point of this is, the DOT guys need to use common sense.
> But I guess when you have a job like that you don't have to.  I have
> seen OSHA, DOT, ODA (Ohio Dept of Ag.), EPA, etc... Have their heads so
> far up their rearends that they have deprived themselves of oxygen for
> to long, now they either don't know how to or can't think with common
> sense. They go by the book, which in most case was written by someone
> that doesn't have a clue and has to justify their job.
>
> I bet most of you don't know this OSHA regulation: It is against the law
> to let anyone ride on a wagon, on a farm, for any purpose.  It is kind
> of hard to bale hay or straw that way. We found this out from an OSHA
> investigator in the late 70's, when we had an accident on the farm and
> an employee got injured. I can ramble a whole lot more, but I will quit
> here.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> Of Steve Treimer
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:17 AM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: [AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs
>
>
> Frank,
> I love your attitude and I think you're exactly right.  I've heard from
> more than one person that you're basically at the mercy of the DOT guys
> if they decide you're the one they want to pull over.  They're going to
> have SOMETHING to say if they take the effort and time to pull you over.
> Last year my wife talked with Sgt. Reinhart of the Iowa DOT and he
> pretty much says what you said, verbatim.  He blew off a few of our
> local club members' big worries about battery backup braking
> capabilities, chain binders, 4 corners, middle tie downs, safety
> striping.  His basic explanation was that for PERSONAL, in-state use and
> travel, you need a chain front and back, both chains must equal or
> exceed the load and each chain must have a binder.  But I appreciated
> his summary: "Basically if we feel you're not safe on the road or using
> common sense we're going to write you up for something." But that was a
> year ago, everyone needs more funding this year. Steve
>
> --- Frank <gremaux at tein.net> wrote:
>
> > I don't listen to lectures.......I tell them if they are going to see
> > me in court the write it up (they won't because they know better)other
>
> > wise get
> > out of my way as I have work to do....
> >
> >
> > you use one chain and two binders and loop in the middle......it is
> > acceptable....if they do not believe then threaten to cut the
> > loop.........ah ha! 2 chains now exist......
> >
> > Frank
> > gremaux at tein.net
> > Central Montana http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Allandar" <eallandar at rohrerbus.com>
> > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:01 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> >
> >
> > > My understanding is it must be individual binders. I was lectured
> > about
> > > using one chain by the Pa. State Police.
> > >
> > > Ed Allandar
> > > Vice President
> > > Rohrer Bus
> > > P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road
> > > Duncannon, PA 17020-0100
> > > 717.957.5114 Direct
> > > 717.418.4401 Cell
> > > 1-800-735-6700 x223 Toll free
> > > 717.957.4884 (fax)
> > > eallandar at rohrerbus.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On
> > Behalf Of
> > > rick
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:31 PM
> > > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> > >
> > >
> > > Does the tractor need to have 4 individual chains and 4
> > binders.....or can
> > > you use 2 chains and 4 binders(one on each corner)?....Rick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Allandar" <eallandar at rohrerbus.com>
> > > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> > > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:05 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> > >
> > >
> > >> I deal with the Sate Police here in Pennsylvania on a regular
> > basis, the
> > >> Motor Carrier Enforcement guys say GVW combination of the ENTIRE
> > rig is
> > > the
> > >> determining factor. 4 corner tie down is the rule here!
> > >>
> > >> Ed Allandar
> > >> Vice President
> > >> Rohrer Bus
> > >> P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road
> > >> Duncannon, PA 17020-0100
> > >> 717.957.5114 Direct
> > >> 717.418.4401 Cell
> > >> 1-800-735-6700 x223 Toll free
> > >> 717.957.4884 (fax)
> > >> eallandar at rohrerbus.com
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > >> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On
> > Behalf Of
> > >> Mitchell Daly
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:10 AM
> > >> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > >> Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Frank,
> > >>
> > >> Is it the load you're carrying or the GVW of the whole unit -
> > truck,
> > > trailer
> > >> and load that the 10k is based on? I have a client who is a Lt.
> > with the
> > >> Maryland State Police in the Commercial Vehicle Inspection and he
> > has led
> > > me
> > >> to believe that it is the GVW of the whole unit.
> > >>
> > >> Mitch Daly
> > >> md31043 at msn.com<mailto:md31043 at msn.com>
> > >>   ----- Original Message -----
> > >>   From: Frank<mailto:gremaux at tein.net>
> > >>   To: Antique John Deere mailing
> > >> list<mailto:antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > >>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:06 PM
> > >>   Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   only if the tractor weights over 10000 pounds...
> > >>   Federal Law.....you can look it up on the Federal DOT rules
> > online
> > >>   Frank
> > >>   gremaux at tein.net<mailto:gremaux at tein.net>
> > >>   Central Montana
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html<http://www.angelfire.com/
> mt/d
> > >> eeregp/index.html>
> > >>   ----- Original Message -----
> > >>   From: "Steve Barr"
> > >> <stevebarr at ameritech.net<mailto:stevebarr at ameritech.net>>
> > >>   To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com<mailto:antique-johndeere at li
> sts.
> > >> antique-tractor.com>>
> > >>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:37 AM
> > >>   Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   >
> > >>   > I noticed that it appears that this person has the tractor
> > tied down
> > > to
> > >>   > the trailer with 4 independent chains/binders.  I had heard
> > somewhere
> > >> that
> > >>   > this is a new federal law, but have yet to find a source
> > confirming
> > > it.
> > >>   > Does anyone have any information about this???  I would like
> > to find
> > >> out.
> > >>   >
> > >>   > Thanks
> > >>   >
> > >>   > Steve
> > >>   >
> > >>   > ---
> > >>   > On Mon Jan 17  1:45 , 'Brandon Knapp'
> > >> <lneuwirth at eriecoast.com<mailto:lneuwirth at eriecoast.com>> sent:
> > >>   >
> > >>   > I just happened to see this GP on Ebay. I'm not interested in
> > buying,
> > >> but
> > >>   > the rear wheels look interesting:
> > >>   >
> > >>   >
> > >>
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll\?ViewItem&item=3866483333<http://cg
> i.eb
> > >> ay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll/?ViewItem&item=3866483333>
> > >>   >
> > >>   > Does anybody know anything about them? Factory or rig job?
> > Seems most
> > >>   > likely to be a rig job to me, buy you never know?
> > >>   >
> > >>   > Thanks,
> > >>   > Brandon
> > >>   >
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