[AJD] Delayed posts

[Spencer Yost]

Listen folks,

Have any honest constructive criticism? - send them my way.   But to use
false pretenses like Dean did to take a cheap shot?   That's not
legitimate, quite unfair and the biggest reason people leave.   Comparing a
mailing list to a bulletin board and then using it take criticize me is
mean and low down and shows vengeance is your motive than honest criticism
(and yes Dean, I do know you know the difference between the two)
especially when he sent NO private emails to me to complain or
constructively criticize first.

As for folks leaving, you actually have it backwards.   The nasty ones who
think their knowledge is a chip in the ATIS power game(instead of just
acting like friends in a community) are the ones that stick around
incessantly.  The folks that leave have all said things like "I never know
when I am going to be e-attacked by __________(fill in the blank with you
favorite e-antagonist)".  This almost psychotic tendency many list members
have to say mean hurtful things without warning and without any basis
whatsoever is what runs people away.0

In the past I over-looked it.  Now that I have lost so many subscribers to
actions like Deans, I won't take it anymore and believe me, I could care
less that someone know a whole lot about tractors.   If he/she can't act
like a gentlemen/lady, I don't want them around.

By the way, this isn't the first time either.  Dean has posted many nasty
vile remarks and insults about me in the past in public and I over-looked
them.  No more.  He and his like can go to YTMag - the land Chinese made
reproductions parts, ads for Visa, spyware and bad manual reprints.

PS:  Do bother asking this land of "tractor pretenses" to help you rebuild
your engine, help get tractors unstuck, help a child at Wake Forest with
car problems(I am the local emergency contact for no less than 3
subscribers children who go to Wake), or pick you up at the airport for the
Rust-n-Dust show, or sponsor several gathering of subscribers each year.
They won't do it.

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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On 1/20/2005 at 1:58 PM Robert M. Massengale wrote:

>Spencer -
>
>I can understand your pride in ownership, but do believe you've
>overstepped here.  
>There is a problem with the timliness of posts that's causing long time
>contributors 
>to quit contributing.  That's two problems for ATIS.  Responding to Dean
>VP in the 
>fashion you did is likely to drive him and other contributing experts away
>leaving 
>new guys like me with a diminished resource pool.  I'd sure hate to see
>the AJD list 
>start looking like the Ford & Farmall lists.
>
>Mike
>Robert M. Massengale
>Fredericksburg, Texas 78624
>
>> Geez, you are comparing TWO DIFFERENT technologies.  Compare apples to
>> apples before run your mouth.   My bulletin board posts instantly too.
>> 
>> 
>> Spencer Yost
>> Owner, ATIS
>> Plow the Net!
>> http://www.atis.net
>> 
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>> 
>> On 1/20/2005 at 1:21 AM Dean VP wrote:
>> 
>> >For those of you who think that delayed posts are the norm and have
>> >to be lived with, I suggest you go to www.ytmag.com and post a
>> >message. Your message will be on the board before you can check to
>> >see if it has arrived. 
>> >
>> >I have been on ATIS for almost 6 years now but the situation is
>> >getting to the point that it is untenable. It is very hard to
>> >understand the context of a question when answers sometimes arrive
>> >before the question does. Nor
>> does
>> >one want to look foolish in answering a question when there have been
>> >several identical answers given before any of them show up for
>> >review. 
>> >
>> >I have been helped immensely in the past by those who have
>> >contributed so mightily to this list but over time I see them slowly
>> >disappearing. I have tried to help those I can when possible and
>> >hopefully have helped as much as I have been helped. I have met some
>> >wonderful people in person who I never would have met had it not been
>> >for this list. But....the ATIS list is nothing more than a tool. If
>> >the tool isn't functional any more, a new
>> tool
>> >is needed. 
>> >
>> >I must admit I get impatient when things are not going right. And I
>> >have had to bite my tongue many times over the last few weeks. So I
>> >would like to pass along an old saying my father used to say:
>> >
>> >"If every time you walk through that door you get hit over the head,
>> >maybe a wise thing to do would be to not walk through that door any
>> >more."
>> >
>> >Life is too short to have to deal with things that irritate us. I've
>> >had some very good interchanges with several members of this list via
>> >private email. Maybe this is one of the potential solutions. And w/o
>> >all the
>> delays
>> >in the messages. 
>> >
>> >Sometimes solutions occur when there isn't anyone around to complain
>> >about it anymore.  
>> >
>> >Dean A. Van Peursem
>> >Snohomish, WA 98290
>> >
>> >I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
>> >storeroom door 
>> >
>> >
>> >www.deerelegacy.com
>> >
>> >http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> >[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On
>> >Behalf Of Ronald L. Cook Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:00 PM
>> >To: Antique John Deere mailing list Subject: Re: [AJD] Delayed posts
>> >
>> >I just received it at almost 5 PM Central time.  Interesting, isn't
>> >it? 
>> >  I'm not complaining.  I did receive it and at least this isn't a
>> >  Yahoo 
>> >list.  They are a whole nuther bunch of problems.
>> >
>> >Ron Cook
>> >Salix, IA
>> >
>> >Christopher Lynn wrote:
>> >
>> >> What Guy wrote pretty much summed up the problem I believe.  Over
>> >> my last 11 years of Internet use, email in general has gotten
>> >> slower due to
>> 
>> >> the increase in filtering, and to a degree, the increase in
>> >> traffic.  It
>> 
>> >> is not just an ATIS issue, but one that is created with the ISP's
>> >> as well.  Combine the ATIS filtering with the incoming or outgoing
>> >> filtering systems of each ATIS subscriber (of which most are likely
>> >> different), and there is going to be a definite lag time. Sending
>> >> email via an intranet is no longer instantaneous either.
>> >> 
>> >> Back in 1995, my messages would sometimes come right back to me
>> >> after I sent them to the main ATIS list.  Other times, responses
>> >> would come back
>> 
>> >> before I got my initial post.  This is the first message I sent to
>> >> this list in a long time, so I'll see how long it takes to show up.
>> >> 
>> >> Just my $.02
>> >> 
>> >> Chris
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Guy Fay wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> I think it's the general Internet problem of mail getting slower,
>> >>> not just these lists. I do see slower return times on the main
>> >>> ATIS lists than the specific by makes. I also notice that the spam
>> >>> filter I get through my provider seems to have an effect as well-
>> >>> when it lets more spam through, it's faster, but the more it
>> >>> catches, it slows up the rest of the mail. Guy Fay
>> >>>
>> >>> Dee Schuyler wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Well I spoke offline with Dean this morning and he had pretty
>> >>>> much the same thing to add. I guess I will continue to read the
>> >>>> mail for a while but I am about burned out on posting. Guess I
>> >>>> will see what else is active? Thanks for your reply  Duane Dee
>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane Larson"
>> ><jdlarson at comcast.net>
>> >>>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
>> >>>> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:37 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Delayed posts
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Dee,
>> >>>>> I have also raised this issue (perhaps too many times) but
>> >>>>> nothing has been done.  Exactly for your reasons I watch but
>> >>>>> don't participate much anymore on this list.  Too frustrating. 
>> >>>>> Spencer (or someone) posted some transfer times recently but
>> >>>>> they sure don't seem to apply to most things I respond to.  If I
>> >>>>> knew that the problem was on my end I could do something about
>> >>>>> it, but I don't know where it is.  The average daily traffic on
>> >>>>> this list seems to have decreased in the last 4-5 years as this
>> >>>>> delay problem has gotten worse - you are probably right, folks
>> >>>>> have transferred to the other
>> JD
>> >>>>> discussion forums.
>> >>>>> Duane Larson
>> >> 
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