[AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs

[Louis]

In 2003, I was hauling a John Deere D from Ohio to Richmond, VA.  I was
on I-70, I figured that I was going miss the rush hour traffic around
DC.  Well, that all changed when I pulled across the scales in
Hagerstown, MD.  I have a 2000 Ford F-350 and a 2000 Keifer gooseneck
trailer (GVWR 29,900#).  I was red lighted at the scales.  I went into
the scale house. The state trooper came out of the restroom and barked
at the civilian employee three times asking him if I was overweight.
The civilian employee answered him all three times "no".  The state
trooper started to get nasty with me right off the bat.  I told him, "I
will be very cooperative with you, as long as you stop being nasty." He
checked my log, paperwork, license, etc. Nothing wrong there.  He
climbed all over my truck and trailer for two hours. All he could find
was one of the bulbs in a side marker on my trailer was burned out, the
other bulb in it was working (there are two bulbs in the marker lights).
He wrote me a ticket, it cost $78. His last nasty remark was if you want
to fight it, the court date is on the ticket.  I kept my mouth shut
through this situation, I realized right away he was a power hungry
jerk.

When I got out of there, I hit DC right during rush hour.  I was 5 hours
late getting to Richmond.  

I guess the point of this is, the DOT guys need to use common sense.
But I guess when you have a job like that you don't have to.  I have
seen OSHA, DOT, ODA (Ohio Dept of Ag.), EPA, etc... Have their heads so
far up their rearends that they have deprived themselves of oxygen for
to long, now they either don't know how to or can't think with common
sense. They go by the book, which in most case was written by someone
that doesn't have a clue and has to justify their job.  

I bet most of you don't know this OSHA regulation: It is against the law
to let anyone ride on a wagon, on a farm, for any purpose.  It is kind
of hard to bale hay or straw that way. We found this out from an OSHA
investigator in the late 70's, when we had an accident on the farm and
an employee got injured. I can ramble a whole lot more, but I will quit
here.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Treimer
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:17 AM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: [AJD] DOT regulations, tie downs


Frank,
I love your attitude and I think you're exactly right.  I've heard from
more than one person that you're basically at the mercy of the DOT guys
if they decide you're the one they want to pull over.  They're going to
have SOMETHING to say if they take the effort and time to pull you over.
Last year my wife talked with Sgt. Reinhart of the Iowa DOT and he
pretty much says what you said, verbatim.  He blew off a few of our
local club members' big worries about battery backup braking
capabilities, chain binders, 4 corners, middle tie downs, safety
striping.  His basic explanation was that for PERSONAL, in-state use and
travel, you need a chain front and back, both chains must equal or
exceed the load and each chain must have a binder.  But I appreciated
his summary: "Basically if we feel you're not safe on the road or using
common sense we're going to write you up for something." But that was a
year ago, everyone needs more funding this year. Steve

--- Frank <gremaux at tein.net> wrote:

> I don't listen to lectures.......I tell them if they are going to see 
> me in court the write it up (they won't because they know better)other

> wise get
> out of my way as I have work to do....
> 
> 
> you use one chain and two binders and loop in the middle......it is
> acceptable....if they do not believe then threaten to cut the 
> loop.........ah ha! 2 chains now exist......
> 
> Frank
> gremaux at tein.net
> Central Montana http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Allandar" <eallandar at rohrerbus.com>
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> 
> 
> > My understanding is it must be individual binders. I was lectured
> about
> > using one chain by the Pa. State Police.
> >
> > Ed Allandar
> > Vice President
> > Rohrer Bus
> > P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road
> > Duncannon, PA 17020-0100
> > 717.957.5114 Direct
> > 717.418.4401 Cell
> > 1-800-735-6700 x223 Toll free
> > 717.957.4884 (fax)
> > eallandar at rohrerbus.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On
> Behalf Of
> > rick
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:31 PM
> > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> >
> >
> > Does the tractor need to have 4 individual chains and 4
> binders.....or can
> > you use 2 chains and 4 binders(one on each corner)?....Rick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Allandar" <eallandar at rohrerbus.com>
> > To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
> > <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:05 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> >
> >
> >> I deal with the Sate Police here in Pennsylvania on a regular
> basis, the
> >> Motor Carrier Enforcement guys say GVW combination of the ENTIRE
> rig is
> > the
> >> determining factor. 4 corner tie down is the rule here!
> >>
> >> Ed Allandar
> >> Vice President
> >> Rohrer Bus
> >> P.O. Box 100 - 1515 State Road
> >> Duncannon, PA 17020-0100
> >> 717.957.5114 Direct
> >> 717.418.4401 Cell
> >> 1-800-735-6700 x223 Toll free
> >> 717.957.4884 (fax)
> >> eallandar at rohrerbus.com
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On
> Behalf Of
> >> Mitchell Daly
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:10 AM
> >> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> >>
> >>
> >> Frank,
> >>
> >> Is it the load you're carrying or the GVW of the whole unit -
> truck,
> > trailer
> >> and load that the 10k is based on? I have a client who is a Lt.
> with the
> >> Maryland State Police in the Commercial Vehicle Inspection and he
> has led
> > me
> >> to believe that it is the GVW of the whole unit.
> >>
> >> Mitch Daly
> >> md31043 at msn.com<mailto:md31043 at msn.com>
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Frank<mailto:gremaux at tein.net>
> >>   To: Antique John Deere mailing 
> >> list<mailto:antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:06 PM
> >>   Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> >>
> >>
> >>   only if the tractor weights over 10000 pounds...
> >>   Federal Law.....you can look it up on the Federal DOT rules
> online
> >>   Frank
> >>   gremaux at tein.net<mailto:gremaux at tein.net>
> >>   Central Montana
> >>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html<http://www.angelfire.com/
mt/d
> >> eeregp/index.html>
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: "Steve Barr" 
> >> <stevebarr at ameritech.net<mailto:stevebarr at ameritech.net>>
> >>   To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
> >>
> >>
> >
>
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com<mailto:antique-johndeere at li
sts.
> >> antique-tractor.com>>
> >>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:37 AM
> >>   Subject: Re: [AJD] Weird GP Wheels? Now Tractor Tie Down
> >>
> >>
> >>   >
> >>   > I noticed that it appears that this person has the tractor
> tied down
> > to
> >>   > the trailer with 4 independent chains/binders.  I had heard
> somewhere
> >> that
> >>   > this is a new federal law, but have yet to find a source
> confirming
> > it.
> >>   > Does anyone have any information about this???  I would like
> to find
> >> out.
> >>   >
> >>   > Thanks
> >>   >
> >>   > Steve
> >>   >
> >>   > ---
> >>   > On Mon Jan 17  1:45 , 'Brandon Knapp' 
> >> <lneuwirth at eriecoast.com<mailto:lneuwirth at eriecoast.com>> sent:
> >>   >
> >>   > I just happened to see this GP on Ebay. I'm not interested in
> buying,
> >> but
> >>   > the rear wheels look interesting:
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll\?ViewItem&item=3866483333<http://cg
i.eb
> >> ay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll/?ViewItem&item=3866483333>
> >>   >
> >>   > Does anybody know anything about them? Factory or rig job?
> Seems most
> >>   > likely to be a rig job to me, buy you never know?
> >>   >
> >>   > Thanks,
> >>   > Brandon
> >>   >
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