[atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question

[Stuart Harner]

Cecil,

More good suggestions.  My google searches had not turned up too much except 
that Shovel Supply was owned by a woman who is a fine arts hero in Dallas 
(she gave lots of money to the local arts).  There were a couple of law 
suits mentioned but nothing about a merger or sell out.  One mention of a 
company that claimed to have parts, but when we called them, all they 
handled was the filters for the Oliver tractor engine.

I can remember seeing packers like this most of my life, but never was 
around any of them enough to notice what they were.  I was a little 
surprised by the lack of information on the web.  There was one hit that was 
an ATIS digest, where someone asked (and was answered) about the model of 
the Oliver tractor used.  Once again ATIS is THE authority on all things 
tractor related.

Thanks again,

Stuart


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil Bearden" <crbearden at copper.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: [atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question


> Stuart:
> That seal sounds like one used on a Cat also...  Been many years so I 
> cannot say where it comes from....   We have a dealer in OKC called CL 
> Boyd equipment that had a lot of old parts books.  If you can get someone 
> to talk to you at the parts counter, you might get some help.  We also 
> have an old equipment dealer called Kirby Smith Equip.  they are also in 
> Tulsa.  They handled a lot of off-brand equipment.  That is not an unusual 
> packer.  Ther were a lot of those in use around here 5 years ago...  I 
> would suggest asking around some contractors to see if they have 
> anything....  You also might look on the net for a parts book, I have seen 
> some at the Pawnee swap meet I think.    I know there was one a while back 
> at Chickasha....  Also... You might call Joe Ersland at Chickasha.  He 
> trades in antique machinery and is a collector..  The antique road 
> machinery club is also on the net..   You might post a listing..
>
> Cecil in Okla
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "CRAWLER HEAVEN" <edc at crawlerheaven.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question
>
>
>>
>> Stuart, Instead of gear oil you might try Corn Head Grease It turns to
>> liquid with heat but turns back to a jelly when cooled,it would so down 
>> the
>> leaking and it sticks and lubes well in a cavaity not like regular 
>> grease. I
>> use it in all my bottom rollers and front idlers i get mine from John 
>> Deere
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Stuart Harner" <sharner at starband.net>
>> To: "atis" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:05 PM
>> Subject: [AT] OT: wheel packer question
>>
>>
>> Since things seem a little slow for tractor discussion, I will ask for 
>> some
>> help that is sort of tractor related.
>>
>> I work for the County road dept. in the summer and we have an old wheel
>> packer that needs some repairs.
>>
>> This unit has four tires on the front axle and six in the back.  There is 
>> a
>> large "tub" that is filled with gravel for weight.  On the sides are
>> placards saying "Ferguson".  The data plate on the front says made by 
>> Shovel
>> Supply, Dallas TX.  Unfortunately, someone pushed this packer from the 
>> front
>> and wiped the model and serial numbers from the plate.  We even removed 
>> it
>> to see if we could read the stampings from the back, but there were rocks
>> between the plate and the frame so the back was damaged too.
>>
>> The engine and drive train is an Oliver tractor, probably a 770 or 880.
>> There is an Oliver data plate on it.
>>
>> The rear drive wheels are run by large roller chains that come down from 
>> the
>> axles of the Oliver.  Of the 6 wheels on the back, the two outer ones on
>> each side are actually drive wheels that are connected to the chain case.
>> The center two wheels are just "tag" axles.
>>
>> The lower unit of the drive wheel holds the axle, bearings and chain
>> sprocket.  They are attached to the chain case with bronze bushings that
>> allow the lower unit to pivot slightly from side to side.  I suspect that
>> this is to let one tire ride up over a bump without putting all the 
>> weight
>> on that tire.
>>
>> The lower unit is filled to the axle level with 80/90 grease that also 
>> lubes
>> the chain and sprockets.  There is a seal between the lower unit and the
>> upper chain case.  This seal has to compress and expand to accommodate 
>> the
>> rocking from side to side that the lower unit does.  On our machine, the
>> seals are shot and all the grease runs out if you are on any kind of a 
>> side
>> slope.  We don't know if the seals are original or if someone has 
>> improvised
>> in the past.  In any case, the current seals look like they were poured 
>> in
>> place.  It is a rubbery compound (not RTV) but you can definitely see the
>> beads that were laid out.
>>
>>>From the research I was able to do on the web, it looks like this was a
>> 10-12 ton packer probably built in the mid to late '60's.  I have not 
>> been
>> able to find any source for parts or manuals.  If anyone has any 
>> information
>> that they can provide I would appreciate it.  Even ideas on how to make a
>> new seal for the lower unit.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stuart
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