[atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question

Steve W. falcon at telenet.net
Fri Dec 30 22:01:39 PST 2005


Stuart,
 How large is the area that the seal has to cover? Also rough idea of
the size of the seal base and the opening that the shaft has to come
out, and how long could the seal be? As I understand it this seal does
NOT have a rotating shaft in it correct, just sealing an opening to hold
grease/oil while allowing the rectangular shaft to move inside it. If
that is the case it wouldn't be that hard to find a boot style seal
(like those used on the axles of cars over the CV joints) that would do
the job.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Harner" <sharner at starband.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question


> Charlie,
>
> Although the seal I am looking for is not for the shaft (it is
rectangular)
> that is still a very good idea.  Here we have Interstate Bearing, that
we do
> quite a lot of business with.
>
> In this county, the other than our maintainers that are leased, every
other
> piece of equipment is something that someone else did not want.  From
our
> 1950's tar truck to the newest acquisition, a 1970's Stieger tractor
(it had
> a factory 8 track player in it).  We do have 2 pickups from the 90's.
If we
> want to use something, we have to keep it running, no matter what it
takes.
>
> Like Red Green says:  "If women don't find you handsome, they should
at
> least find you handy".
>
> Thanks for the suggestion,
>
> Stuart
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:17 PM
> Subject: [atis] Re: [AT] OT: wheel packer question
>
>
> > Stewart,  I don't know where you live but in most towns of any size
or
> > where there is some industrial plants there are bearing supply
houses.
> > The big one here in our area used to be called Dixie Bearing and it
was a
> > regional if not national outfit.  However, they changed
names/ownership
> > and I can't remember the name now.
> >
> > Anyway, if you can find one of these stores, all they sell is
bearings,
> > seals, PT chain, etc.  If you can tell them the inner and outer
diameter
> > of the seal and it's thickness they can most likely find you one
that
> > works.  I know you don't have a seal to go by but you can measure
the OD
> > of the shaft and the ID of the hub plus the depth.
> >
> > Look in the yellow pages under bearings, power transmission and
industrial
> > supplies.  You should be able to find someone.  In fact they
probably have
> > web sites these days.
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Stuart Harner" <sharner at starband.net>
> > To: "atis" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:05 PM
> > Subject: [AT] OT: wheel packer question
> >
> >
> > Since things seem a little slow for tractor discussion, I will ask
for
> > some help that is sort of tractor related.
> >
> > I work for the County road dept. in the summer and we have an old
wheel
> > packer that needs some repairs.
> >
> > This unit has four tires on the front axle and six in the back.
There is
> > a large "tub" that is filled with gravel for weight.  On the sides
are
> > placards saying "Ferguson".  The data plate on the front says made
by
> > Shovel Supply, Dallas TX.  Unfortunately, someone pushed this packer
from
> > the front and wiped the model and serial numbers from the plate.  We
even
> > removed it to see if we could read the stampings from the back, but
there
> > were rocks between the plate and the frame so the back was damaged
too.
> >
> > The engine and drive train is an Oliver tractor, probably a 770 or
880.
> > There is an Oliver data plate on it.
> >
> > The rear drive wheels are run by large roller chains that come down
from
> > the axles of the Oliver.  Of the 6 wheels on the back, the two outer
ones
> > on each side are actually drive wheels that are connected to the
chain
> > case. The center two wheels are just "tag" axles.
> >
> > The lower unit of the drive wheel holds the axle, bearings and chain
> > sprocket.  They are attached to the chain case with bronze bushings
that
> > allow the lower unit to pivot slightly from side to side.  I suspect
that
> > this is to let one tire ride up over a bump without putting all the
weight
> > on that tire.
> >
> > The lower unit is filled to the axle level with 80/90 grease that
also
> > lubes the chain and sprockets.  There is a seal between the lower
unit and
> > the upper chain case.  This seal has to compress and expand to
accommodate
> > the rocking from side to side that the lower unit does.  On our
machine,
> > the seals are shot and all the grease runs out if you are on any
kind of a
> > side slope.  We don't know if the seals are original or if someone
has
> > improvised in the past.  In any case, the current seals look like
they
> > were poured in place.  It is a rubbery compound (not RTV) but you
can
> > definitely see the beads that were laid out.
> >
> >>From the research I was able to do on the web, it looks like this
was a
> >>10-12 ton packer probably built in the mid to late '60's.  I have
not been
> >>able to find any source for parts or manuals.  If anyone has any
> >>information that they can provide I would appreciate it.  Even ideas
on
> >>how to make a new seal for the lower unit.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stuart
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