[AT] Portland Handicap Permits

[JEFFREY PILBEAM]

WHY DOES THE ATIS GROUP GET ROPED OFF BY CHRIS WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A
DIECTOR< BUT THEY CANT ROPE OFF ANYTHING FOR THE ELDERLY GENTLEMEN THAT
REQUESTED A ROPE OFF Sorry, maybe I read a thread incorrectly.

We drive the 3.5 hour trip to rope off but it still a pain.


Jeff's Jeep Barn
Britton Mi
Pilbeam's Centennial Farm 
Tecumseh Mi
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:41 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: [AT] Portland Handicap Permits

Cecil, and others who have responded. It's not the "gator issue" that is
keeping us from returning to Portland. I too have a rascal but my wife can
no longer walk any distance either so it made sense to me to use the gator
as we already had one. The camping issue is and was the main problem. Yes I
know I could have asked to join in and camp at the ATIS site but our rig is
a big one and as I have not be able to join in on any of the work days don't
feel it was right to horn in.
It is for sale by the way. A 2001 Coachman  31" w/ slideout.
 I too have seen many forms of transportation misused at Portland and other
shows as well. There is little that can be done with folks who are
inconsiderate to themselves as well as others. I have seen folks who are not
disabled using others transportation against all rules. I understand that
rules  are necessary and do not disagree. I just object to the unequal
enforcement and exemptions for "friends". (rant off (:>) You folks have a
good time and I hope the weather is not too hot or too wet for the week. If
I can get someone to drive down for a day I may try to bring my rascal.(:>)
and will try to meet some of you. John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Monson" <cmonson at hvc.rr.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Portland Handicap Permits


 Well friends, I have been following this thread with much interest but have
refrained from saying anything but feel that now I must jump in. My wife & I
have been(were) regular campers and



 I'm sorry to hear you are not going to continue going to the Portland show
over the Gator issue. I have also been going to this show off and on for
over 20 years although only the last 4 or 5 times  with the ATIS group. I
usually went by myself as a part of the return from business trips around
the country.

 I have to comment on users of Gators. Personally, and this is not directed
at you, John, in any way, I have never seen more pushy and impolite users of
any vehicle than those who drive Gators at shows.
 They seem to have no regard for others, want everyone to get out of their
way, drive faster as a rule than need be when it is dusty, and brought this
all on themselves. The show personnel are banning them as a result of
complaints - many of them - brought on by the behavior of owners and users. 
I have heard them warned, personally, about their driving habits and
behavior and after the club person left, their attitude seems to be "who are
they to question what I want to do?
 and not that of someone who is contrite and hoping it won't go any further
than that. I am sure the Club has a file on complaints and that it is a big
one.

 As to tractors, bikes, golf carts and butt buggies in general, I have a
feeling the whole thing is at the advice of legal and insurance advisers to
the Club and not the result of complaints. It is important if they want to
continue having shows, that Clubs like Portland have insurance to protect
themselves - and if insurance companies start  telling you either ban
uninsured vehicles or lose your insurance, it is a no brainer.

 Golf carts are easy to transport, comfortable to ride around on, are a lot
less expensive than a Gator, also a lot quieter and smaller and are
generally a pleasure to have anywhere you need transportation. My wife and I
happen to own 4 of them - two electrics and two gas - and will certainly be
bringing one of ours to the next show.

 Cecil
 

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