[AJD] 1939 John Deere AW

Tue Aug 30 19:13:58 PDT 2005

J.R.

I have always respected your opinion and will always listen to your 
side.........
I am thankful we live in a country where we can express our opinions........

but yes in this case we can agree on one thing .........to disagree....

I really don't think we do disagree.........but so be it!

it is fun to argue sometimes

Frank
gremaux at tein.net
Central Montana
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.R. Hobbs" <jrhobbs2004 at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW

> Well, Frank, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
>
> Frank <gremaux at tein.net> wrote:JR
> you need to have your glasses checked........
> I said it only tells you that there were at least 30 built..........
> I also said.....no one knows for sure how many ........
>
> which to me means that a piece of paper costing 12 or 15 bucks tells you
> nothing!
>
> tell your mother I was in Landusky today!
> hot there....93
>
> Frank
> gremaux at tein.net
> Central Montana
> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>
>
>> Tell me, just how do you "know" that more than 30 of the 1939 "AW"
>> tractors were built?
>>
>> Frank wrote:It is also not be true that 30 were
>> built......
>> All it tells you is that at least 30 were built........
>> and as I say.....it is a place to start
>>
>> Frank
>> gremaux at tein.net
>> Central Montana
>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>>
>>
>>> Misleading? How? As I said before, at some point, you have to go with
>>> what the records say, irregardless of what your personal beliefs are, or
>>> the stories you've been told.. The records say that 30 Model "AW"
>>> Tractors
>>> were built in the 1939 model year. If you want to believe that 75 or 150
>>> were built, fine, believe what you like---but it's not true, and it's
>>> misleading, in my view. But that's just my opinion
>>>
>>>
>>> . Frank wrote:
>>> true enough about the rarity of the tractor but what I am saying is that
>>> your statement of 30 tractors is misleading!!
>>>
>>> could have been 150 of them
>>> or 75 of them
>>>
>>> I just don't think we should say a specific number when actually no one
>>> knows!!
>>> I have visited at length with the people in the archives and that's why 
>>> I
>>> am always against using specific numbers...
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> gremaux at tein.net
>>> Central Montana
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
>>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>>>
>>>
>>>> That did happen on occasion, to be sure, but at some point, you have to
>>>> go
>>>> with what the records say----and I've checked the numbers in the
>>>> Production Log versus the Serial Number Registers on several different
>>>> occasions, and the differences if any, are miniscule. Since the records
>>>> were kept by human beings, no doubt some mistakes were made. Tractors
>>>> sometimes got changed at the Branch House level, and at the dealer
>>>> level,
>>>> as well, since front end assemblies could be ordered as Whole Goods. In
>>>> some cases, those changes were reported to the factory, and the changes
>>>> were recorded---I've seen some of those instances. In others, they were
>>>> not, no doubt. There are cases where tractors are listed as being
>>>> shipped
>>>> without front end equipment, for whatever reason.
>>>> As I recall, the original question concerned the rarity of a 1939 "AW".
>>>> Whether they made 30, as is recorded, or a few more were changed
>>>> afterward, really isn't an issue, is it? A 1939 "AW" is still a rare
>>>> tractor.
>>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> providing no A's that were built and in the yard were not change before
>>>> they
>>>> left the factory and not recorded..........happened a lot more than 
>>>> some
>>>> people think!
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> gremaux at tein.net
>>>> Central Montana
>>>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
>>>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kyle,
>>>>>
>>>>> A 1939 "AW" is a pretty rare creature, since the 1939 Model "A" Series
>>>>> tractors were rather unique, being basically an unstyled "A"
>>>>> mechanically,
>>>>> with the styling features and with a number of parts unique to only 
>>>>> the
>>>>> 1939 model year. Only 30 "AW" tractors were built in the 1939 model
>>>>> year.
>>>>>
>>>>> JR
>>>>>
>>>>> Kyle Sands wrote:
>>>>> Hello guys - does anyone have an idea of how many AW's (factory
>>>>> adjustable
>>>>> wide front end) Deere produced in 1939? I don't think this is a
>>>>> particulaly rare model variation, but I have have only seen one other
>>>>> exactly like my grandfather's (even in pictures). I've seen several of
>>>>> the
>>>>> unstyled variety and of the late styled variety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any guesses?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kyle Sands <>< Alexandria, MN
>>>>>
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