[AJD] wheel removal completed

Tue Aug 30 20:13:12 PDT 2005

Well, finally after a week of heating banging, pulling, and more, finally 
got the wheel off the 50.

Tried the pipe over the axle trick with an end plate again.  After heating 
the wheel I hit the pipe which hit the cones, all to no avail but did manage 
to break one of the cones.

Finally in desperation, I whacked the end of the axle with the sledge hammer 
3 times. The wheel, was still hot from the torch, turned the push bolts 
which proceeded to push out the cone.  Success at last.

I wont use the pipe over the axle technique again, ended up crushing the 
pipe end (the end next to the cones).

If the other wheel is as difficult as this one, I will:

First, remove the pinion bolt.   Ultimately I think this was a BIG factor in 
keeping the wheel on.  I am quite sure that banging on the cone ends with 
the racking bolt frozen was the cause of the broken cone. The pinion bolt is 
still frozen in the wheel assembly even though the cones are out.

I am not sure if whacking the end of the axle was the deciding factor only 
because the wheel had been heated and pulled and pounded on before. 
However, the wheel never moved until the end of the axle was hit 3 times.

Thanks everyone for your help, your suggestions, and your support.

Kreig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Showers" <steamcar at hereintown.net>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible?? THANKS

>I guess it is just the jolt....I know it works.  I drove the 530 around for 
>a long time with the jack screws tight and the wedge screws loose and 
>nothing happened until I hit the end of the axle with a sledgehammer.  It 
>is the same with tie rod ends on older cars, often hitting the outside of 
>the joint will cause it to fall apart.
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kreig" <astroguy at nas.com>
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> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible?? THANKS
>
>
>> Hitting the axle with a BIG hammer would in theory not move because of 
>> the mass of the axle and tractor.
>>
>> So, why does hitting the axle loosen the wheel hub??
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Showers" <steamcar at hereintown.net>
>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
>> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible?? THANKS
>>
>>
>>> Nothing happened to my 530...I was using it today.  I hit the end of the 
>>> axle about 6 years ago to break the wheel loose and there is still no 
>>> seal leakage.  I learned of this technique through Green Magazine.
>>> Jim Showers
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "kreig" <astroguy at nas.com>
>>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 
>>> <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible?? THANKS
>>>
>>>
>>>> The pipe idea failed.    Made up a pice up pipe to slide over the axle 
>>>> and welded a 1/2" plate to pound on, no success, no movement, nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Heat did not work, lots of heat.
>>>>
>>>> Giant wheel puller, no success.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of  "penetrating" fluid, no success.
>>>>
>>>> Pounding on the wedges, no success.
>>>>
>>>> What happens to wheel beearings, seals, gears etc when pounding on the 
>>>> end of the axle?
>>>>
>>>> Kreig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: <astroguy at nas.com>
>>>> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible?? THANKS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Great ideas Bruce, THANK YOU!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you tell me this BEFORE I removed the rim from the wheel 
>>>>> and
>>>>> spent $100 on the propane set up???    haha
>>>>>
>>>>> I will try the pipe idea, sounds great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kreig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Original Message:
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> From: Bruce Mahr martian at winco.net
>>>>> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:18 -0500
>>>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kreig: I have the best luck with loosening the inside three bolts on 
>>>>> the
>>>>> inner wedge a couple of turns and then driving the tractor around and
>>>>> individually hitting each brake pedal separately to help jar them 
>>>>> loose.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can also take a heavy wall pipe that will fit over the axle and weld a
>>>>> heavy
>>>>> plate over the opening on the outer end and cutting a half moon piece 
>>>>> off
>>>>> the inner end so that when you hit the outer end, the protruding lip 
>>>>> on the
>>>>> inner end will hit only on the wedge you have the jack screws 
>>>>> tightened up
>>>>> against.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce Mahr
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "astroguynascom" <astroguy at nas.com>
>>>>> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: [AJD] wheel removal, impossible??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trying to remove the wheel hubs off the JD 50.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have removed all of the bolts. Cleaned up the two bolts used for 
>>>>>> pushing
>>>>>> out the wedge.  Reinstalled and tightened these two bolts, and I do 
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> tightened!!   Using a brass punch and hammer and beating on the two 
>>>>>> wedges
>>>>>> with no results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Installed a home made wheel puller made up of 2" square thick wall 
>>>>>> tubing
>>>>>> and a 1.25 inch bolt used to press on the axle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now all of this put together with no movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Went out and bought a Propane tank, propane, and a rose bud (sp?) 
>>>>>> torch
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> heated up the rim for 20 minutes. Tightened the wheel puller (max),
>>>>>> tightened the push bolts (max), beat on the wedges with brass driver 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> heavy hammer, AND beat on the back side of the wheel with a brass 
>>>>>> hammer.
>>>>>> All at about the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Results . . . . . . . . .  no movement, nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What to do next??    Cry???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kreig
>>>>>>
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