[AJD] 1939 John Deere AW

[J.R. Hobbs]

Well, Frank, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. 

Frank <gremaux at tein.net> wrote:JR
you need to have your glasses checked........
I said it only tells you that there were at least 30 built..........
I also said.....no one knows for sure how many ........

which to me means that a piece of paper costing 12 or 15 bucks tells you 
nothing!

tell your mother I was in Landusky today!
hot there....93

Frank
gremaux at tein.net
Central Montana
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.R. Hobbs" 
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list" 

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW


> Tell me, just how do you "know" that more than 30 of the 1939 "AW" 
> tractors were built?
>
> Frank wrote:It is also not be true that 30 were 
> built......
> All it tells you is that at least 30 were built........
> and as I say.....it is a place to start
>
> Frank
> gremaux at tein.net
> Central Montana
> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>
>
>> Misleading? How? As I said before, at some point, you have to go with
>> what the records say, irregardless of what your personal beliefs are, or
>> the stories you've been told.. The records say that 30 Model "AW" 
>> Tractors
>> were built in the 1939 model year. If you want to believe that 75 or 150
>> were built, fine, believe what you like---but it's not true, and it's
>> misleading, in my view. But that's just my opinion
>>
>>
>> . Frank wrote:
>> true enough about the rarity of the tractor but what I am saying is that
>> your statement of 30 tractors is misleading!!
>>
>> could have been 150 of them
>> or 75 of them
>>
>> I just don't think we should say a specific number when actually no one
>> knows!!
>> I have visited at length with the people in the archives and that's why I
>> am always against using specific numbers...
>>
>> Frank
>> gremaux at tein.net
>> Central Montana
>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>>
>>
>>> That did happen on occasion, to be sure, but at some point, you have to
>>> go
>>> with what the records say----and I've checked the numbers in the
>>> Production Log versus the Serial Number Registers on several different
>>> occasions, and the differences if any, are miniscule. Since the records
>>> were kept by human beings, no doubt some mistakes were made. Tractors
>>> sometimes got changed at the Branch House level, and at the dealer 
>>> level,
>>> as well, since front end assemblies could be ordered as Whole Goods. In
>>> some cases, those changes were reported to the factory, and the changes
>>> were recorded---I've seen some of those instances. In others, they were
>>> not, no doubt. There are cases where tractors are listed as being 
>>> shipped
>>> without front end equipment, for whatever reason.
>>> As I recall, the original question concerned the rarity of a 1939 "AW".
>>> Whether they made 30, as is recorded, or a few more were changed
>>> afterward, really isn't an issue, is it? A 1939 "AW" is still a rare
>>> tractor.
>>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>> providing no A's that were built and in the yard were not change before
>>> they
>>> left the factory and not recorded..........happened a lot more than some
>>> people think!
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> gremaux at tein.net
>>> Central Montana
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
>>> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1939 John Deere AW
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kyle,
>>>>
>>>> A 1939 "AW" is a pretty rare creature, since the 1939 Model "A" Series
>>>> tractors were rather unique, being basically an unstyled "A"
>>>> mechanically,
>>>> with the styling features and with a number of parts unique to only the
>>>> 1939 model year. Only 30 "AW" tractors were built in the 1939 model
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> Kyle Sands wrote:
>>>> Hello guys - does anyone have an idea of how many AW's (factory
>>>> adjustable
>>>> wide front end) Deere produced in 1939? I don't think this is a
>>>> particulaly rare model variation, but I have have only seen one other
>>>> exactly like my grandfather's (even in pictures). I've seen several of
>>>> the
>>>> unstyled variety and of the late styled variety.
>>>>
>>>> Any guesses?
>>>>
>>>> Kyle Sands <>< Alexandria, MN
>>>>
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