[AT] Building

Wed Apr 27 11:04:48 PDT 2005

Ralph:

I appreciate your insight. I too prefer the straight wall shed. I guess I
developed a dislike for the Quonset style building when my Dad put one up in
the 50's first to store grain in and later it turned into a machinery shed.
To put it bluntly I didn't like the exterior looks of it and it was the
coldest stinking building I have ever worked in. But that is time past and
we are in a different environment. 

Our wants are different primarily because we want to live close in to the
city but still try to preserve a little privacy and rural feel. In fact so
close in that there may be CC&R's involved in the property. I doubt any
CC&R's would allow a Quonset type building. 

The primary reason for the "close in" requirement is we are getting older
and this new place will probably be the one where eventually they may have
to carry us out of. :-) Traffic congestion is so bad here that just a few
miles out of the city can turn into an hour drive. A small acreage on the
edge of the cities (where the kids and grandchildren live) would probably be
the most desired. But this puts real restrictions on what can be built and
how much isolation and privacy can be achieved. I'm sure it will require
some unwanted compromises. 

However, with some methodical work I suspect we can achieve an acceptable
situation. Our thinking is a Wood exterior on the shop that somehow blends
into the environment and is complementary to the house. 

We have a lot of horse property around here and I suspect we will end up in
that kind of environment. We live on that kind of property now but thinking
ahead it isn't the right kind of property for the future aging years. We
currently own a two story house with a full 5 acres, also horse property, to
maintain which has been enjoyable but may not be appropriate as we get
older. 

The other thought is that we don't want to build a special use shop that
becomes a detriment to resale value when we need to move on. An over
powering shop would become a drag rather than an enhancement for a close-in
property. So if for example we happened to build in a horse property
environment, the shop may, on the exterior, look like a horse barn but on
the inside be an antique tractor shop. The next owner then could add the
interior walls and make it a real horse barn. Horse property sells at a
premium around here and a barn actually enhances the value of the property.
That however dictates some of the interior features of the building such as
non-concrete floors in a portion of the building. I don't see that as game
ending at all as I could envision the tractor storage area to be crushed
rock over dirt with the actual work shop, floor heated that later could be
used as functional parts of a working horse barn. We won't be horse owners
on the new property. 

So our current thinking is trying to accomplish antique tractor storage as
well as a shop in one building but not make it so unique it is a single
purpose facility. And hopefully is designed well enough that it is kind of
secondary to the house and rest of the property. 

Our desires may be too much or inordinately complex but until we actually
find some acceptable raw land one can only imagine what might be possible.

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
storeroom door 

www.deerelegacy.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Goff
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:44 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Building

Dean
My two cents worth. I have both styles of building in the yard and have to
say I prefer the new "straightwall" shed. True, its 25 years newer than the
steel quonset that was state of the art in 1977 but its just a nicer
environment to work in. For one thing, the quonset has a real moisture
problem and will drip condensation far too often even though it has
ventilators on the roof. The dirt floor is always "greasy" at the back half
of the building and I've been meaning to haul some gravel in there to
improve it.
The straightwall is only a hundred feet away but the floor is dry as desert
sand and only on rare occasions have I seen a drip of moisture from the
roof. Maybe the ridge vents make the big difference.
One of the biggest pluses on the new shed is the "ridge lites", fibreglass
panels in the ridge that let in  an amazing amount of daylight. I can work
in there with the doors shut tight on cold days and not need the lights
turned on. Theres just that much daylight coming in those ridge panels.
I also had it built with an 18 foot high wall which gives a lot of overhead
space. No worries about breaking off the exhaust pipe on the big IH combine
here. The high wall also gives me room to build an upstairs in the corners
where its not in the way of parking machinery. Thats more room to store my
"junk" indoors. This is just not possible in the quonset style of building.
Another point, the quonset building required a lot of cement and rebar for
the "footing". It was all hand mixed by my Dad and two brothers in the
August heat of 1977. None of that required for the new straightwall
building. The crew had those big posts in the ground in no time and they
have since stood through some of our notorious Sask. winds without incident.

Ralph in Sask.
http://lgoff.sasktelwebsite.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group' <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] Building

> I am monitoring this building discussion with keen and immediate interest.
> There is a pretty good chance we may be buying vacant land with plans to
> build a new house (rambler) and shop over the next two year period or so.
We
> have a pretty good idea of what the house needs to be along with whatever
> improvements in the property are required and whatever is left in the
budget
> I get to build a shop. The present top line budget look like it is very
> doable but until we pick some vacant land parcels as prime candidates it
is
> like fencing with windmills.
>
> But any and all comments about what is needed in a shop is of significant
> interest. I'm listening intently.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:27 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Building
>
>
> Yep they did Farmer my shop now is 60x60 two story and now is to big for
me
> to keep up with. And yes i plan in heat in the floor.  It is just the
> $20,000 that gets me. My shop did not cost that much with hot water heat.
> R Fink
>
>
>
> At 08:06 AM 4/26/2005, you wrote:
> >         Hi Richard:
> >
> >         What ever you do don't let anyone talk you out of putting a
vapor
> > barrier under the
> >floor... you will be thankful and your tools will be thankful. Personally
> >I would never
> >put down a concrete floor in a building without putting in plastic pipe
or
> >tubing for
> >heat even if I had no immediate plans to use it. I sure wish there was
> >some under mine.
> >         Good luck on the shop and remember nobody ever built one too
> > big...   :-)
> >
> >--
> >"farmer", Esquire
> >At Hewick Midwest
> >       Wealth beyond belief, just no money...
> >
> >Paternal Robinson's here by way of Norway (Clan Gunn), Scottish
Highlands,
> >Cleasby Yorkshire England, Virginia, Kentucky then Indiana. In America
100
> >years
> >before the revolution.
> >
> >
> >Francis Robinson
> >Central Indiana USA
> >robinson at svs.net
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