[AT] Briggs Starters was OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641

[Mike S Meulenberg]

Thanks Steve, 
I finally got the starter off, by cutting the end off a 1/2" socket with
a Sawsall, and using a 1/4" drive, the starter is toast. The magnets on
the inside cracked, and ground things up. Steve, your right it's a
499521, unfortunately it's going to set me back about $120. Does anyone
have any experience with after market starters which I can get for about
$60.

Thanks,
Mike

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:46:42 -0400 "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net> writes
> Well I have another idea but it involves me buying the 1641....
> 
> Sounds like the starter has a problem OR the engine is locked.
> I would pull the plugs on the engine and try turning it over (just 
> use a
> pipe wrench on the drive shaft. If it turns over easily then it is
> possible the starter is FUBAR.
> 
> It is part number BS-399169 in the Cub book. Briggs shows it as 
> part
> number 499521
> 
> Steve Williams
> Near Cooperstown NY
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> 
> 
> > Ok,
> > Here's what I tried tonight. I took apart the battery connections 
> just
> to
> > be sure their was no corrosion. I checked the plug on the back of 
> the
> > ignition switch, and there was no melting of any kind. While I 
> was
> doing
> > this, I had the battery on a charger to get it fully charged. I 
> put
> > everything back together and tried the jumper method. Here are 
> the
> > results all done with the key off:
> >
> > 1. Positive bat. terminal to the first terminal on the solenoid - 
> no
> > cranking plenty of sparks
> > 2. Positive bat. terminal to the second terminal on the solenoid - 
> no
> > cranking still plenty sparks
> > 3. Positive bat. terminal directly to the starter lug - sparks, 
> no
> > cranking.
> > Did I do something wrong here?
> > I also pulled the battery out of my truck and hooked it up the 
> best I
> > could, solenoid fluttered, only much faster. Any other ideas, I'm 
> glad
> I
> > have a backup mower....
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:49:41 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > writes:
> > > Umph.  You're right, Steve.  I had forgotten about the "melted
> > > connector" problem.  I've run into several of them on Cub 
> Cadets.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> W.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:32 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >  Common problem on the Cubs is the connector on the back of the
> > > ignition
> > > switch. They tend to melt. My 1641 had melted the plastic 
> connector
> > > to
> > > the point that the battery didn't charge and the tractor would 
> just
> > > die
> > > without warning. What you do is pull the battery out, reach in 
> and
> > > pull
> > > the connector off the back of the switch. You will probably 
> find
> > > the
> > > plastic is fried. All is not lost though. The outer plastic is 
> the
> > > same
> > > as the one used on the PTO switch. On mine the three places for 
> the
> > > PTO
> > > connections were fine and I just pulled the spade connectors 
> out
> > > using a
> > > small screwdriver to release them and swapped the plastic 
> shields
> > > around, make sure you clean the connectors good and remove the
> > > switch
> > > and clean up the rusty connectors on the back as well. When you 
> put
> > > them
> > > back together it is a good idea to use some grease to keep it 
> from
> > > occurring again. Also I swapped out the inline blade fuse 
> holder
> > > since
> > > the connections in it were not in good shape either.
> > > If you need any other info just holler. I have the FSM and 
> parts
> > > listings for the 1641 and all most attachments as well.
> > >
> > > Steve Williams
> > > Near Cooperstown NY
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
> > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:03 PM
> > > Subject: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I have an interesting problem with my mowing tractor, a Cub 
> Cadet
> > > 1641. I
> > > > was mowing with the tractor, and shut it off, when I went to
> > > restart
> > > it ,
> > > > all I got was a rapid clicking sound from the solenoid next 
> to
> > > the
> > > > battery. I've checked all the grounds I could find, and 
> cleaned
> > > them
> > > up,
> > > > still the problem persists. The voltage reading across the
> > > battery
> > > > terminals is 12.07 v. The battery had been getting weaker for 
> the
> > > last
> > > > several weeks, sometimes requiring a jump to start the 
> tractor. I
> > > tried
> > > > charging the battery, as well as jumping the tractor from my
> > > truck
> > > with
> > > > no success. I called the dealer's service dept. and they 
> thought
> > > it
> > > might
> > > > be an ignition switch, or a bad ground.
> > > > I'm not sure how to test an ignition switch. Any thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much,
> > > > Mike
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