Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641

Wed Sep 15 15:15:55 PDT 2004

Jade is a nice stone-.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I've the reputation for being "too" cynical
and fully appreciate what you are saying.  From the amount of use this saw
had I had a hard time thinking that the carbon chunk was formed in the
engine and not intentionally put there by someone that didn't want to pay
for the saw after doing a small job.
Carl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641


> I don't mean to sound jaded, but it probably doesn't make any difference
> that it is specified as "factory" remanufactured.  They're still
> contracting it out to third parties.  Most of the Poulan and McCullough
> saws that are available at places like Big Lots have been run through
> that sort of routine.  At least McCullough was honest enough about what
> they were doing that you could pick up on the possible discrepancies in
> the product before you bought it.  They changed all the model numbers by
> inserting "FR" at the beginning of them.  We used to roll our eyes in
> despair whenever an owner brought in any FR equipment.  We never knew
> what we'd find inside, and often the parts that were supposed to fit,
> wouldn't.
>
> I suspect that the remanufacturing is occurring in some major sweat
> shops just south of the Rio Grande.
>
> Like I said -- I don't mean to sound jaded.
>
> [Exit soap box mode.]
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of carl gogol
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:03 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>
> I should have said - "factory" remanufactured.  There was just a little
> sign
> of wear on the bar - the paint was starting to wear away the marking;
> Carl
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:59 PM
> Subject: RE: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>
>
> > Well, you just never know how much the contractor did to
> "remanufacture"
> > that saw.  It may not have seen anything except a new bar, chain, and
> > spark plug plus a session with a pressure washer.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of carl gogol
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:14 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >
> > When I said I started it and let it set for a several months - that is
> > all I
> > did.  Started it, reved it a few times and put it away.  About that
> > fast.
> > Now it was a remanufactured saw - read that used a little and returned
> > for
> > some reason.  After the plug was changed, I ran it successfully with
> the
> > same oil mix as I originally started it with.  I am thinking that I
> > bought
> > it with the carbon chunk already there - or someone intentionally put
> it
> > there to have an excuse to return it after doing a small job with it.
> > Carl Gogol
> > Manlius, NY
> > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > Kubota F-2400
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:59 PM
> > Subject: RE: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >
> >
> > > Well, there are lots of things that can cause big carbon chunks,
> Carl,
> > > but typically that hard flaky stuff is from burning oil.  It can
> > happen
> > > fairly quickly in a 2-cycle engine that is either running with too
> > much
> > > oil in the mix or with the WRONG oil for the engine.  Yes, there are
> > > differences!  You DON'T want to run just any old 2-cycle oil in most
> > > "modern" 2-cycle engines.  There were even obvious differences in
> > > performance as far back as the 70's.  I used to get Lawn-Boy mowers
> in
> > > the shop that were hard to start and wouldn't rev up to full rpm.  I
> > > would turn them on their side, disassemble the muffler, and ream out
> > the
> > > exhaust ports with a big hairy screwdriver.  When it went back
> > together,
> > > they took off like a new engine.
> > >
> > > Nowadays, it's string trimmers, chain saws, and hedge trimmers that
> I
> > > see -- same problem, different solution.  If the muffler can be
> > > disassembled, I do that and burn the carbon out of the screen with a
> > > reducing flame on a torch.  If it can't be taken apart to get at the
> > > screen, then you can essentially kiss the whole unit "goodbye."
> > Getting
> > > a replacement muffler is usually financially prohibitive, and trying
> > to
> > > "burn out" the muffler either with heat or chemicals is a lost
> cause.
> > >
> > > Two-cycle mixtures are not something to mess around with.  Don't
> even
> > > think about filing a warranty claim on a 2-cycle engine if you
> haven't
> > > followed the manufacturer's recommendations on brand of oil and
> > mixture.
> > > Some manufacturers are doing chemical analysis on the residue left
> in
> > > the engine before they allow repairs or replacement.
> > >
> > > End soapbox mode.
> > >
> > > Let the flames begin.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> > > DAVIESW739 at aol.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:02 PM
> > > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > Subject: Re: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/9/2004 5:34:51 PM Pacific  Daylight Time,
> > > cgogol at twcny.rr.com writes:
> > > How do carbon
> > > chunks that large  form?  -- crap from the spark arrestor or what?
> > > Carl  Gogol
> > >
> > > running the mixer to rich will carbon up any engine. You een to
> have
> > > the
> > > carb adjusted properly.
> > >
> > > I just rebuilt the carb on my LA it was  causing the plugs to foul
> its
> > > works
> > > great now even with the wheel firming buring  in muck up to the
> axel.
> > > Giggle
> > > well I guess next time I won't go that way.  anyway my friend is
> > > bringing his
> > > big tractor over tomorrow to help pull it out.  I hope we can anyway
> > > that
> > > things weighs over 8900 lbs and she is stuck plenty  good in that
> > muck.
> > >
> > > Walt Davies
> > > Cooper Hollow Farm
> > > Monmouth, OR  97361
> > > 503 623-0460
> > >
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