Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641

[Larry D. Goss]

Well, you just never know how much the contractor did to "remanufacture"
that saw.  It may not have seen anything except a new bar, chain, and
spark plug plus a session with a pressure washer.

Larry

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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:14 PM
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Subject: Re: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641

When I said I started it and let it set for a several months - that is
all I
did.  Started it, reved it a few times and put it away.  About that
fast.
Now it was a remanufactured saw - read that used a little and returned
for
some reason.  After the plug was changed, I ran it successfully with the
same oil mix as I originally started it with.  I am thinking that I
bought
it with the carbon chunk already there - or someone intentionally put it
there to have an excuse to return it after doing a small job with it.
Carl Gogol
Manlius, NY
(2) AC D-14, AC 914H
Simplicity 3112 & 7116
Kubota F-2400
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641


> Well, there are lots of things that can cause big carbon chunks, Carl,
> but typically that hard flaky stuff is from burning oil.  It can
happen
> fairly quickly in a 2-cycle engine that is either running with too
much
> oil in the mix or with the WRONG oil for the engine.  Yes, there are
> differences!  You DON'T want to run just any old 2-cycle oil in most
> "modern" 2-cycle engines.  There were even obvious differences in
> performance as far back as the 70's.  I used to get Lawn-Boy mowers in
> the shop that were hard to start and wouldn't rev up to full rpm.  I
> would turn them on their side, disassemble the muffler, and ream out
the
> exhaust ports with a big hairy screwdriver.  When it went back
together,
> they took off like a new engine.
>
> Nowadays, it's string trimmers, chain saws, and hedge trimmers that I
> see -- same problem, different solution.  If the muffler can be
> disassembled, I do that and burn the carbon out of the screen with a
> reducing flame on a torch.  If it can't be taken apart to get at the
> screen, then you can essentially kiss the whole unit "goodbye."
Getting
> a replacement muffler is usually financially prohibitive, and trying
to
> "burn out" the muffler either with heat or chemicals is a lost cause.
>
> Two-cycle mixtures are not something to mess around with.  Don't even
> think about filing a warranty claim on a 2-cycle engine if you haven't
> followed the manufacturer's recommendations on brand of oil and
mixture.
> Some manufacturers are doing chemical analysis on the residue left in
> the engine before they allow repairs or replacement.
>
> End soapbox mode.
>
> Let the flames begin.
>
> Larry
>
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> DAVIESW739 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: Bargains was Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>
> In a message dated 9/9/2004 5:34:51 PM Pacific  Daylight Time,
> cgogol at twcny.rr.com writes:
> How do carbon
> chunks that large  form?  -- crap from the spark arrestor or what?
> Carl  Gogol
>
> running the mixer to rich will carbon up any engine. You een to  have
> the
> carb adjusted properly.
>
> I just rebuilt the carb on my LA it was  causing the plugs to foul its
> works
> great now even with the wheel firming buring  in muck up to the axel.
> Giggle
> well I guess next time I won't go that way.  anyway my friend is
> bringing his
> big tractor over tomorrow to help pull it out.  I hope we can anyway
> that
> things weighs over 8900 lbs and she is stuck plenty  good in that
muck.
>
> Walt Davies
> Cooper Hollow Farm
> Monmouth, OR  97361
> 503 623-0460
>
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