[AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
CEE VILL
cvee60 at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 11 09:07:59 PDT 2004
I happen to work with a man who has a wife that is a Potsdam native. Having
said that, I can see why it is an easy decision to choose the car battery to
take to bed with you. (grins)
Charlie V. in WNY
>From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:06:00 -0400
>
>In reality, it is too cold in northern NY to snow very much. The snowbelt
>/
>Tug Hill region is between Syracuse and Watertown (Ft. Drum). Syracuse is
>by far snowier than Potsdam, but comparatively tropical. The nice part of
>Potsdam is that because of the lack of moisture and snow it is a lot
>sunnier. All three weeks of summer are a real treat in Potsdam. The
>Northern Lights are not uncommon and just a real treat to see.
>Carl Gogol
>Manlius, NY
>(2) AC D-14, AC 914H
>Simplicity 3112 & 7116
>Kubota F-2400
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "crawler" <crawler at lynnet.com>
>To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
>
>
> > Larry alot of mail boxs with the same name on them up there also if you
>get
> > my drift.... Also Barnes Corners around Watertown,lowville area is
>supposed
> > to be the most snow fall in NY state I believe it is in what they call
>"Tug
> > Hill" area gets dumped on from the lake and elevation changes. ED
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> >
> >
> > > LOL. I spent a month in Potsdam one week. I asked one of the natives
> > > if they got a lot of snow there and she said, "Oh, I don't know. It
> > > snows at about Thanksgiving time and then just stays!"
> > >
> > > I swear, Potsdam has more snow mobile service centers than it has gas
> > > stations.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of carl gogol
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:10 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > >
> > > Mark-
> > > Sounds like you know Copley!
> > > Manlius, NY is near SE of Syracuse and in a general sense along I90
> > > about
> > > half-way between Albany and Buffalo. It is about 360 miles from
>Copley
> > > Ohio.
> > >
> > > Potsdam, NY, the home of the Clarkson University Golden Knights, is
> > > about
> > > 150 miles northeast of Syracuse. It is closer to Ottawa Ontario by
> > > quite a
> > > bit. Potsdam is a very lovely place this time of year for another
>week
> > > or
> > > two. While going to school there it snowed at least a little every
> > > September and I can remember walking a mile to class at -40 F in
> > > January.
> > > My rule of thumb was that you should wear your thermal underwear for a
> > > walk
> > > that long if it gets lower than -20 F. Warmer than that didn't
>require
> > > more
> > > than the normal jacket and ear mittens. You get acclimated to the
> > > weather
> > > and very few germs can live at those temperatures :-). The natives
> > > tended
> > > to take their car batteries to bed with them in Jan-Feb.
> > > Carl Gogol
> > > Manlius, NY
> > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > Kubota F-2400
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > >
> > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > I bought my Farmall 140 about 12 years ago from an old guy in Copley
> > > who
> > > had
> > > > a small truck farm on route 261. He was in his 70's then and in
> > > failing
> > > > health so he gave up the vegetable business. My aunt and uncle live
> > > just
> > > > south of there in Norton and my wife's great Grandma lived in
>Copley.
> > > I
> > > > don't know of any tractor shows coming up in this area this fall.
> > > Where in
> > > > NY is Manilus? I have an uncle in upstate NY (Pottsdam area) who I'd
> > > like
> > > to
> > > > go visit one day.
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mark-
> > > > > My son and his wife currently live in a suburb of Akron, Copley.
>We
> > > had
> > > a
> > > > > nice visit and expect to make quite a few more - especially when
>the
> > > > > grandchildren start arriving. I am hoping as time goes on to find
> > > some
> > > > > tractor related stuff in the area, but it looks like all of the
> > > tractor
> > > > > shows are held in the western part of the state. I don't know if
>we
> > > will
> > > > > make it back before Christmas, but they have already said the last
> > > time
> > > > they
> > > > > will be coming home for a while will be Thanksgiving, Angela will
> > > not be
> > > > in
> > > > > condition to travel much after that.
> > > > > Sounds like we should cross paths some time when we are out there
> > > again.
> > > > or
> > > > > is there an eastern Ohio show coming up sometime soon?
> > > > > Carl Gogol
> > > > > Manlius, NY
> > > > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > > > Kubota F-2400
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I work in Akron. What brought you here from NY?
> > > > > > Mark Greer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:20 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We took a trip to Akron, Ohio soon after posting the original
> > > note,
> > > so
> > > > I
> > > > > > > haven't been around to answer any comments. Antifreeze in the
> > > first
> > > > > drum
> > > > > > > tested to -40F (or was it -50?) - it floated all 5 balls in
>the
> > > tester
> > > > > so
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > was really potent stuff. Didn't test the second one, it
>looked
> > > a
> > > > little
> > > > > > > greener than the first, but that just might have been cleaner.
> > > I
> > > > guess
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > tend to make sure we have plenty of protection in our cars
> > > around
> > > > here!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have one of the fancy transfer valves, but because of the
>way
> > > I
> > > was
> > > > > > > transferring there should have been a shutoff valve between it
> > > and
> > > the
> > > > > > > pressure line from the drum. Then it could work as
>advertised.
> > > I
> > > > just
> > > > > > used
> > > > > > > it for the adapters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I started transferring liquid, I was extremely cautious
>on
> > > the
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > few pressurizations. Most of the transfer took place at 3 to
> > > 3.5
> > > PSI.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > inched up to 5 PSI at the start of the second drum as it was
> > > nearly
> > > > full
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > had little room for air. Figured the worse it would do is
>make
> > > a
> > > > mess,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I really wanted to see what it would take. I don't know what
> > > the
> > > > drums
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > really take since grandpappy never let me real close to the
> > > still
> > > when
> > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > really young :-). Figured 3-5 PSI had to be pretty safe
> > > considering
> > > > the
> > > > > > > shock and g forces that these have to take in normal handling
> > > and
> > > > > > > transportation. Your sensibilities and tolerance for
> > > experimentation
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > vary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand the concern for pets, but my tractors spend most
>of
> > > their
> > > > > > lives
> > > > > > > locked in the barn. If a mouse drinks some, it saves on the
> > > costs
> > > of
> > > > > > > Warfarin. The tires are all in excellent shape and there is
> > > very
> > > > little
> > > > > > > danger of them leaking any time soon. It is another risk that
>I
> > > > > > consciously
> > > > > > > assume.
> > > > > > > Carl Gogol
> > > > > > > Manlius, NY
> > > > > > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > > > > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > > > > > Kubota F-2400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:16 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sure sounds like a good deal, Carl. How strong did the
>waste
> > > anti
> > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > test??? Probably at least 20 or 30 below?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charlie V.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > > > > ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:12:16 -0400
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Last winter I solicited opinions from the list concerning
> > > tire
> > > > > ballast.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > >finally took the plunge yesterday and decided that I had
> > > enough
> > > > time
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > >the job. I called up a local junkyard, er recycler, and
> > > asked
> > > him
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > >for 90 gallons of old antifreeze solution. He asked me
>what
> > > it
> > > was
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >when I told him he commented that, "you don't need good
>stuff
> > > -
> > > > come
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >get
> > > > > > > > >it - for free"! I noticed quite a bit of oil on the
>surface
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > mix,
> > > > > > > > >so
> > > > > > > > >I made up a simple extraction / separation tool with a 3/4"
> > > pipe
> > > > tee,
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > >both a Schrader valve for pressurizing the barrel and a
>tube
> > > from
> > > > > 1/2"
> > > > > > > > >CPVC,
> > > > > > > > >boring the normal male pipe adapter so the tube could pass
> > > through
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > TEE
> > > > > > > > >to within about 4" of the bottom of the drum. This way I
> > > could
> > > > pump
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > AF
> > > > > > > > >from under the oil by slightly pressuring the 55 gallon
>drum.
> > > I
> > > > > found
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >drums could take at least 5 PSI and then pushed the AF into
> > > the
> > > > > tubes.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > >had to disconnect and let the air out of the tractor's tube
> > > 4-5
> > > > times
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >get
> > > > > > > > >the level to 80% full. A bit time consuming, but got them
> > > both
> > > > full
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > >about 3 hours. Got a system down and the second one took
> > > half as
> > > > > long
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > >the first.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Tried the tractor using the loader and it easily pushed the
> > > 6'
> > > > blade
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >pile of rocks and sod, digging a good bucket load that it
> > > just
> > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > > >have
> > > > > > > > >been able to do before. I'm sure Calcium would have done a
> > > little
> > > > > > more,
> > > > > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > >this is a huge improvement. I may go get another 2 drums
>and
> > > fill
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >other
> > > > > > > > >D-14 and then take the steel wheel weights and put them on
> > > the
> > > > loader
> > > > > > > > >tractor too. I think that will result in a very
>satisfactory
> > > > loader
> > > > > > > > >tractor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Only one bit of excitement, when I repressurized the first
> > > tire,
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > >the valve stem was leaking. After putting some air in,
> > > there
> > > was
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > >hissing
> > > > > > > > >sound. At first it was very depressing as I thought I
>would
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > >all out and get a new tube. I put some more air in and
>again
> > > it
> > > > all
> > > > > > > leaked
> > > > > > > > >out. I put some more in and it too hissed out! I put 11
>PSI
> > > in
> > > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >stopped leaking --- It was just air trapped between the
>tube
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > rim
> > > > > > > > >pushing out through the valve stem hole in the rim! The
> > > second
> > > > tire
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > >exactly the same thing - it didn't panic me this time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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