[AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins

Fri Sep 10 21:11:27 PDT 2004

That whole area was real fun in '93. I ended up crawling around up there
as a volunteer with S&R.
Felt like a polar bear on the ice.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown NY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins

> In reality, it is too cold in northern NY to snow very much.  The
snowbelt /
> Tug Hill region is between Syracuse and Watertown (Ft. Drum).
Syracuse is
> by far snowier than Potsdam, but comparatively tropical.  The nice
part of
> Potsdam is that because of the lack of moisture and snow it is a lot
> sunnier.  All three weeks of summer are a real treat in Potsdam.  The
> Northern Lights are not uncommon and just a real treat to see.
> Carl Gogol
> Manlius, NY
> (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> Kubota F-2400
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "crawler" <crawler at lynnet.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
>
>
> > Larry alot of mail boxs with the same name on them up there also if
you
> get
> > my drift....  Also Barnes Corners around Watertown,lowville area is
> supposed
> > to be the most snow fall in NY state I believe it is in what they
call
> "Tug
> > Hill" area gets dumped on from the lake and elevation changes.  ED
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> >
> >
> > > LOL.  I spent a month in Potsdam one week.  I asked one of the
natives
> > > if they got a lot of snow there and she said, "Oh, I don't know.
It
> > > snows at about Thanksgiving time and then just stays!"
> > >
> > > I swear, Potsdam has more snow mobile service centers than it has
gas
> > > stations.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of carl
gogol
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:10 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > >
> > > Mark-
> > > Sounds like you know Copley!
> > > Manlius, NY is near SE of Syracuse and in a general sense along
I90
> > > about
> > > half-way between Albany and Buffalo.  It is about 360 miles from
Copley
> > > Ohio.
> > >
> > > Potsdam, NY, the home of the Clarkson University Golden Knights,
is
> > > about
> > > 150 miles northeast of Syracuse.  It is closer to Ottawa Ontario
by
> > > quite a
> > > bit.  Potsdam is a very lovely place this time of year for another
week
> > > or
> > > two.  While going to school there it snowed at least a little
every
> > > September and I can remember walking a mile to class at -40 F in
> > > January.
> > > My rule of thumb was that you should wear your thermal underwear
for a
> > > walk
> > > that long if it gets lower than -20 F.  Warmer than that didn't
require
> > > more
> > > than the normal jacket and ear mittens.  You get acclimated to the
> > > weather
> > > and very few germs can live at those temperatures :-).  The
natives
> > > tended
> > > to take their car batteries to bed with them in Jan-Feb.
> > > Carl Gogol
> > > Manlius, NY
> > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > Kubota F-2400
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > >
> > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > I bought my Farmall 140 about 12 years ago from an old guy in
Copley
> > > who
> > > had
> > > > a small truck farm on route 261. He was in his 70's then and in
> > > failing
> > > > health so he gave up the vegetable business. My aunt and uncle
live
> > > just
> > > > south of there in Norton and my wife's great Grandma lived in
Copley.
> > > I
> > > > don't know of any tractor shows coming up in this area this
fall.
> > > Where in
> > > > NY is Manilus? I have an uncle in upstate NY (Pottsdam area) who
I'd
> > > like
> > > to
> > > > go visit one day.
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mark-
> > > > > My son and his wife currently live in a suburb of Akron,
Copley.  We
> > > had
> > > a
> > > > > nice visit and expect to make quite a few more - especially
when the
> > > > > grandchildren start arriving.  I am hoping as time goes on to
find
> > > some
> > > > > tractor related stuff in the area, but it looks like all of
the
> > > tractor
> > > > > shows are held in the western part of the state.  I don't know
if we
> > > will
> > > > > make it back before Christmas, but they have already said the
last
> > > time
> > > > they
> > > > > will be coming home for a while will be Thanksgiving, Angela
will
> > > not be
> > > > in
> > > > > condition to travel much after that.
> > > > > Sounds like we should cross paths some time when we are out
there
> > > again.
> > > > or
> > > > > is there an eastern Ohio show coming up sometime soon?
> > > > > Carl Gogol
> > > > > Manlius, NY
> > > > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > > > Kubota F-2400
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I work in Akron. What brought you here from NY?
> > > > > > Mark Greer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:20 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We took a trip to Akron, Ohio soon after posting the
original
> > > note,
> > > so
> > > > I
> > > > > > > haven't been around to answer any comments.  Antifreeze in
the
> > > first
> > > > > drum
> > > > > > > tested to -40F (or was it -50?) - it floated all 5 balls
in the
> > > tester
> > > > > so
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > was really potent stuff.  Didn't test the second one, it
looked
> > > a
> > > > little
> > > > > > > greener than the first, but that just might have been
cleaner.
> > > I
> > > > guess
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > tend to make sure we have plenty of protection in our cars
> > > around
> > > > here!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have one of the fancy transfer valves, but because of
the way
> > > I
> > > was
> > > > > > > transferring there should have been a shutoff valve
between it
> > > and
> > > the
> > > > > > > pressure line from the drum.  Then it could work as
advertised.
> > > I
> > > > just
> > > > > > used
> > > > > > > it for the adapters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I started transferring liquid, I was extremely
cautious on
> > > the
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > few pressurizations.  Most of the transfer took place at 3
to
> > > 3.5
> > > PSI.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > inched up to 5 PSI at the start of the second drum as it
was
> > > nearly
> > > > full
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > had little room for air.  Figured the worse it would do is
make
> > > a
> > > > mess,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I really wanted to see what it would take.  I don't know
what
> > > the
> > > > drums
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > really take since grandpappy never let me real close to
the
> > > still
> > > when
> > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > really young :-).  Figured 3-5 PSI had to be pretty safe
> > > considering
> > > > the
> > > > > > > shock and g forces that these have to take in normal
handling
> > > and
> > > > > > > transportation.  Your sensibilities and tolerance for
> > > experimentation
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > vary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand the concern for pets, but my tractors spend
most of
> > > their
> > > > > > lives
> > > > > > > locked in the barn.  If a mouse drinks some, it saves on
the
> > > costs
> > > of
> > > > > > > Warfarin.  The tires are all in excellent shape and there
is
> > > very
> > > > little
> > > > > > > danger of them leaking any time soon.  It is another risk
that I
> > > > > > consciously
> > > > > > > assume.
> > > > > > > Carl Gogol
> > > > > > > Manlius, NY
> > > > > > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > > > > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > > > > > Kubota F-2400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:16 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sure sounds like a good deal, Carl.  How strong did the
waste
> > > anti
> > > > > > freeze
> > > > > > > > test???  Probably at least 20 or 30 below?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charlie V.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > > > > ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > > >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:12:16 -0400
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Last winter I solicited opinions from the list
concerning
> > > tire
> > > > > ballast.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > >finally took the plunge yesterday and decided that I
had
> > > enough
> > > > time
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > >the job.  I called up a local junkyard, er recycler,
and
> > > asked
> > > him
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > >for 90 gallons of old antifreeze solution.  He asked me
what
> > > it
> > > was
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >when I told him he commented that, "you don't need good
stuff
> > > -
> > > > come
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >get
> > > > > > > > >it - for free"!   I noticed quite a bit of oil on the
surface
> > > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > mix,
> > > > > > > > >so
> > > > > > > > >I made up a simple extraction / separation tool with a
3/4"
> > > pipe
> > > > tee,
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > >both a Schrader valve for pressurizing the barrel and a
tube
> > > from
> > > > > 1/2"
> > > > > > > > >CPVC,
> > > > > > > > >boring the normal male pipe adapter so the tube could
pass
> > > through
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > TEE
> > > > > > > > >to within about 4" of the bottom of the drum.  This way
I
> > > could
> > > > pump
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > AF
> > > > > > > > >from under the oil by slightly pressuring the 55 gallon
drum.
> > > I
> > > > > found
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >drums could take at least 5 PSI and then pushed the AF
into
> > > the
> > > > > tubes.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > >had to disconnect and let the air out of the tractor's
tube
> > > 4-5
> > > > times
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >get
> > > > > > > > >the level to 80% full.  A bit time consuming, but got
them
> > > both
> > > > full
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > >about 3 hours.  Got a system down and the second one
took
> > > half as
> > > > > long
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > >the first.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Tried the tractor using the loader and it easily pushed
the
> > > 6'
> > > > blade
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >pile of rocks and sod, digging a good bucket load that
it
> > > just
> > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > > >have
> > > > > > > > >been able to do before.  I'm sure Calcium would have
done a
> > > little
> > > > > > more,
> > > > > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > >this is a huge improvement.  I may go get another 2
drums and
> > > fill
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >other
> > > > > > > > >D-14 and then take the steel wheel weights and put them
on
> > > the
> > > > loader
> > > > > > > > >tractor too.  I think that will result in a very
satisfactory
> > > > loader
> > > > > > > > >tractor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Only one bit of excitement, when I repressurized the
first
> > > tire,
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > >the valve stem was leaking.  After  putting some air
in,
> > > there
> > > was
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > >hissing
> > > > > > > > >sound.  At first it was very depressing as I thought I
would
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > >it
> > > > > > > > >all out and get a new tube.  I put some more air in and
again
> > > it
> > > > all
> > > > > > > leaked
> > > > > > > > >out.  I put some more in and it too hissed out!  I put
11 PSI
> > > in
> > > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >stopped leaking --- It was just air trapped between the
tube
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > rim
> > > > > > > > >pushing out through the valve stem hole in the rim!
The
> > > second
> > > > tire
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > >exactly the same thing - it didn't panic me this time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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