[AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641 - Update

Mike S Meulenberg msm10301 at juno.com
Fri Sep 10 14:14:05 PDT 2004 

Thanks for all the help so far in trying to get my CC 1641 running again.
There seemed to be a consensus that the battery was bad, so I removed it
and took it to NAPA to have it checked. It had 12.11V which I know is
low, but it only had 61 CCA. I'm going to pick up a new battery tomorrow
morning and hopefully that will solve the problem. I'm keeping my fingers
crossed.

Mike

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:52:46 -0400 "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net> writes:
> Hi Mike,  I haven't been folowing this thread and for that matter I'm 
> not 
> sure what size engine your 1641 has.  However, I'm assuming it is a 
> 10 to 15 
> hp air cooled?   Some of those engines have an automatic compression 
> release 
> that won't release the compression if the oil is real dirty or if 
> the 
> mechanism gets gunked up.  When the compression release doesn't work 
> the 
> starter doesn't have enough torque to turn the engine over.
> 
> This might not apply in your case.  Just  a suggestion to consider.
> If it doesn't help just ignore.
> 
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
> To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> 
> 
> > Pull the starter off?!!! What genius designed this. I tried to get 
> a
> > socket on the two starter bolts, but the heat shield is too close 
> to
> > allow a socket to fit. I did notice tonight while looking at the 
> starter
> > that the starter gear did move when I turned the ignition switch,
> > indicating I have some power to the starter. I also removed the 
> battery
> > cables again and scraped them shiny and clean with a razor blade. 
> I then
> > took out the plugs and spun the engine over, it was free as can 
> be. I
> > assume this rules out the electronic clutch being hung up, which I 
> did
> > have happen once before.  I'm leaning toward a battery that is 
> FUBR.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mike
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:20:04 -0500 "Larry D. Goss" 
> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > writes:
> >> Try rotating the crank, Mike, or try to get at the starter motor
> >> shaft
> >> to check it for freedom of movement.  But even if you find it
> >> stuck,
> >> don't despair until you've had a chance to pull the starter off 
> for
> >> an
> >> up close and personal inspection.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
> S
> >> Meulenberg
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:58 PM
> >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >>
> >> I'll give it a try Larry, although I don't like the idea of the
> >> crank
> >> being stuck, I can always hope for the best.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:43:23 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
> >> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> >> writes:
> >> > Pull the starter, Mike.  If it won't turn over with a direct
> >> > connection
> >> > to the lug on the side of the starter motor, there's a real
> >> problem.
> >> >  I
> >> > found a mower like this once (it happened to be at a Cub Cadet
> >> > dealership) where the crank was actually stuck.  The dealer 
> was
> >> > convinced that the engine had a broken piston in it and cut me 
> a
> >> > real
> >> > deal on it.  When I got it home, I found all that had happened 
> was
> >>
> >> > that
> >> > the plastic starter gear had sheared off a couple of teeth and
> >> they
> >> > had
> >> > jammed in the flywheel.  It cost me something like 68 cents to
> >> > repair
> >> > the thing.
> >> >
> >> > Larry
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
> S
> >> > Meulenberg
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:13 PM
> >> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >> >
> >> > Ok,
> >> > Here's what I tried tonight. I took apart the battery 
> connections
> >>
> >> > just
> >> > to
> >> > be sure their was no corrosion. I checked the plug on the back 
> of
> >> > the
> >> > ignition switch, and there was no melting of any kind. While I 
> was
> >>
> >> > doing
> >> > this, I had the battery on a charger to get it fully charged. 
> I
> >> put
> >> > everything back together and tried the jumper method. Here are
> >> the
> >> > results all done with the key off:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Positive bat. terminal to the first terminal on the solenoid 
> -
> >>
> >> > no
> >> > cranking plenty of sparks
> >> > 2. Positive bat. terminal to the second terminal on the 
> solenoid -
> >>
> >> > no
> >> > cranking still plenty sparks
> >> > 3. Positive bat. terminal directly to the starter lug - 
> sparks,
> >> no
> >> > cranking.
> >> > Did I do something wrong here?
> >> > I also pulled the battery out of my truck and hooked it up the
> >> best
> >> > I
> >> > could, solenoid fluttered, only much faster. Any other ideas, 
> I'm
> >>
> >> > glad I
> >> > have a backup mower....
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:49:41 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
> >> > <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> >> > writes:
> >> > > Umph.  You're right, Steve.  I had forgotten about the 
> "melted
> >> > > connector" problem.  I've run into several of them on Cub
> >> Cadets.
> >> > >
> >> > > Larry
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of 
> Steve
> >>
> >> > W.
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:32 PM
> >> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike,
> >> > >  Common problem on the Cubs is the connector on the back of 
> the
> >>
> >> > > ignition
> >> > > switch. They tend to melt. My 1641 had melted the plastic
> >> > connector
> >> > > to
> >> > > the point that the battery didn't charge and the tractor 
> would
> >> > just
> >> > > die
> >> > > without warning. What you do is pull the battery out, reach 
> in
> >> and
> >> >
> >> > > pull
> >> > > the connector off the back of the switch. You will probably 
> find
> >>
> >> > > the
> >> > > plastic is fried. All is not lost though. The outer plastic 
> is
> >> the
> >> >
> >> > > same
> >> > > as the one used on the PTO switch. On mine the three places 
> for
> >>
> >> > the
> >> > > PTO
> >> > > connections were fine and I just pulled the spade connectors 
> out
> >>
> >> > > using a
> >> > > small screwdriver to release them and swapped the plastic
> >> shields
> >> > > around, make sure you clean the connectors good and remove 
> the
> >> > > switch
> >> > > and clean up the rusty connectors on the back as well. When 
> you
> >>
> >> > put
> >> > > them
> >> > > back together it is a good idea to use some grease to keep 
> it
> >> > from
> >> > > occurring again. Also I swapped out the inline blade fuse 
> holder
> >>
> >> > > since
> >> > > the connections in it were not in good shape either.
> >> > > If you need any other info just holler. I have the FSM and
> >> parts
> >> > > listings for the 1641 and all most attachments as well.
> >> > >
> >> > > Steve Williams
> >> > > Near Cooperstown NY
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > > From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
> >> > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:03 PM
> >> > > Subject: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi All,
> >> > > > I have an interesting problem with my mowing tractor, a 
> Cub
> >> > Cadet
> >> > > 1641. I
> >> > > > was mowing with the tractor, and shut it off, when I went 
> to
> >> > > restart
> >> > > it ,
> >> > > > all I got was a rapid clicking sound from the solenoid next 
> to
> >>
> >> > > the
> >> > > > battery. I've checked all the grounds I could find, and
> >> cleaned
> >> >
> >> > > them
> >> > > up,
> >> > > > still the problem persists. The voltage reading across the
> >> > > battery
> >> > > > terminals is 12.07 v. The battery had been getting weaker 
> for
> >>
> >> > the
> >> > > last
> >> > > > several weeks, sometimes requiring a jump to start the
> >> tractor.
> >> > I
> >> > > tried
> >> > > > charging the battery, as well as jumping the tractor from 
> my
> >> > > truck
> >> > > with
> >> > > > no success. I called the dealer's service dept. and they
> >> thought
> >> >
> >> > > it
> >> > > might
> >> > > > be an ignition switch, or a bad ground.
> >> > > > I'm not sure how to test an ignition switch. Any thoughts.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks much,
> >> > > > Mike
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