[AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins

Fri Sep 10 03:37:33 PDT 2004

Larry alot of mail boxs with the same name on them up there also if you get
my drift....  Also Barnes Corners around Watertown,lowville area is supposed
to be the most snow fall in NY state I believe it is in what they call "Tug
Hill" area gets dumped on from the lake and elevation changes.  ED

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins

> LOL.  I spent a month in Potsdam one week.  I asked one of the natives
> if they got a lot of snow there and she said, "Oh, I don't know.  It
> snows at about Thanksgiving time and then just stays!"
>
> I swear, Potsdam has more snow mobile service centers than it has gas
> stations.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of carl gogol
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:10 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
>
> Mark-
> Sounds like you know Copley!
> Manlius, NY is near SE of Syracuse and in a general sense along I90
> about
> half-way between Albany and Buffalo.  It is about 360 miles from Copley
> Ohio.
>
> Potsdam, NY, the home of the Clarkson University Golden Knights, is
> about
> 150 miles northeast of Syracuse.  It is closer to Ottawa Ontario by
> quite a
> bit.  Potsdam is a very lovely place this time of year for another week
> or
> two.  While going to school there it snowed at least a little every
> September and I can remember walking a mile to class at -40 F in
> January.
> My rule of thumb was that you should wear your thermal underwear for a
> walk
> that long if it gets lower than -20 F.  Warmer than that didn't require
> more
> than the normal jacket and ear mittens.  You get acclimated to the
> weather
> and very few germs can live at those temperatures :-).  The natives
> tended
> to take their car batteries to bed with them in Jan-Feb.
> Carl Gogol
> Manlius, NY
> (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> Kubota F-2400
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
>
>
> > Carl,
> > I bought my Farmall 140 about 12 years ago from an old guy in Copley
> who
> had
> > a small truck farm on route 261. He was in his 70's then and in
> failing
> > health so he gave up the vegetable business. My aunt and uncle live
> just
> > south of there in Norton and my wife's great Grandma lived in Copley.
> I
> > don't know of any tractor shows coming up in this area this fall.
> Where in
> > NY is Manilus? I have an uncle in upstate NY (Pottsdam area) who I'd
> like
> to
> > go visit one day.
> > Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> >
> >
> > > Mark-
> > > My son and his wife currently live in a suburb of Akron, Copley.  We
> had
> a
> > > nice visit and expect to make quite a few more - especially when the
> > > grandchildren start arriving.  I am hoping as time goes on to find
> some
> > > tractor related stuff in the area, but it looks like all of the
> tractor
> > > shows are held in the western part of the state.  I don't know if we
> will
> > > make it back before Christmas, but they have already said the last
> time
> > they
> > > will be coming home for a while will be Thanksgiving, Angela will
> not be
> > in
> > > condition to travel much after that.
> > > Sounds like we should cross paths some time when we are out there
> again.
> > or
> > > is there an eastern Ohio show coming up sometime soon?
> > > Carl Gogol
> > > Manlius, NY
> > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > Kubota F-2400
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > >
> > >
> > > > I work in Akron. What brought you here from NY?
> > > > Mark Greer
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:20 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > We took a trip to Akron, Ohio soon after posting the original
> note,
> so
> > I
> > > > > haven't been around to answer any comments.  Antifreeze in the
> first
> > > drum
> > > > > tested to -40F (or was it -50?) - it floated all 5 balls in the
> tester
> > > so
> > > > it
> > > > > was really potent stuff.  Didn't test the second one, it looked
> a
> > little
> > > > > greener than the first, but that just might have been cleaner.
> I
> > guess
> > > we
> > > > > tend to make sure we have plenty of protection in our cars
> around
> > here!
> > > > >
> > > > > I have one of the fancy transfer valves, but because of the way
> I
> was
> > > > > transferring there should have been a shutoff valve between it
> and
> the
> > > > > pressure line from the drum.  Then it could work as advertised.
> I
> > just
> > > > used
> > > > > it for the adapters.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I started transferring liquid, I was extremely cautious on
> the
> > > first
> > > > > few pressurizations.  Most of the transfer took place at 3 to
> 3.5
> PSI.
> > > I
> > > > > inched up to 5 PSI at the start of the second drum as it was
> nearly
> > full
> > > > and
> > > > > had little room for air.  Figured the worse it would do is make
> a
> > mess,
> > > > and
> > > > > I really wanted to see what it would take.  I don't know what
> the
> > drums
> > > > will
> > > > > really take since grandpappy never let me real close to the
> still
> when
> > I
> > > > was
> > > > > really young :-).  Figured 3-5 PSI had to be pretty safe
> considering
> > the
> > > > > shock and g forces that these have to take in normal handling
> and
> > > > > transportation.  Your sensibilities and tolerance for
> experimentation
> > > may
> > > > > vary.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand the concern for pets, but my tractors spend most of
> their
> > > > lives
> > > > > locked in the barn.  If a mouse drinks some, it saves on the
> costs
> of
> > > > > Warfarin.  The tires are all in excellent shape and there is
> very
> > little
> > > > > danger of them leaking any time soon.  It is another risk that I
> > > > consciously
> > > > > assume.
> > > > > Carl Gogol
> > > > > Manlius, NY
> > > > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > > > Kubota F-2400
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:16 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sure sounds like a good deal, Carl.  How strong did the waste
> anti
> > > > freeze
> > > > > > test???  Probably at least 20 or 30 below?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlie V.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > > ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:12:16 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Last winter I solicited opinions from the list concerning
> tire
> > > ballast.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > >finally took the plunge yesterday and decided that I had
> enough
> > time
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >the job.  I called up a local junkyard, er recycler, and
> asked
> him
> > > how
> > > > > much
> > > > > > >for 90 gallons of old antifreeze solution.  He asked me what
> it
> was
> > > for
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >when I told him he commented that, "you don't need good stuff
> -
> > come
> > > > and
> > > > > > >get
> > > > > > >it - for free"!   I noticed quite a bit of oil on the surface
> of
> > the
> > > > mix,
> > > > > > >so
> > > > > > >I made up a simple extraction / separation tool with a 3/4"
> pipe
> > tee,
> > > > > using
> > > > > > >both a Schrader valve for pressurizing the barrel and a tube
> from
> > > 1/2"
> > > > > > >CPVC,
> > > > > > >boring the normal male pipe adapter so the tube could pass
> through
> > > the
> > > > > TEE
> > > > > > >to within about 4" of the bottom of the drum.  This way I
> could
> > pump
> > > > the
> > > > > AF
> > > > > > >from under the oil by slightly pressuring the 55 gallon drum.
> I
> > > found
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >drums could take at least 5 PSI and then pushed the AF into
> the
> > > tubes.
> > > > I
> > > > > > >had to disconnect and let the air out of the tractor's tube
> 4-5
> > times
> > > > to
> > > > > > >get
> > > > > > >the level to 80% full.  A bit time consuming, but got them
> both
> > full
> > > in
> > > > > > >about 3 hours.  Got a system down and the second one took
> half as
> > > long
> > > > as
> > > > > > >the first.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Tried the tractor using the loader and it easily pushed the
> 6'
> > blade
> > > > into
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >pile of rocks and sod, digging a good bucket load that it
> just
> > > wouldn't
> > > > > > >have
> > > > > > >been able to do before.  I'm sure Calcium would have done a
> little
> > > > more,
> > > > > > >but
> > > > > > >this is a huge improvement.  I may go get another 2 drums and
> fill
> > > the
> > > > > > >other
> > > > > > >D-14 and then take the steel wheel weights and put them on
> the
> > loader
> > > > > > >tractor too.  I think that will result in a very satisfactory
> > loader
> > > > > > >tractor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Only one bit of excitement, when I repressurized the first
> tire,
> I
> > > was
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > >the valve stem was leaking.  After  putting some air in,
> there
> was
> > a
> > > > > > >hissing
> > > > > > >sound.  At first it was very depressing as I thought I would
> have
> > to
> > > > take
> > > > > > >it
> > > > > > >all out and get a new tube.  I put some more air in and again
> it
> > all
> > > > > leaked
> > > > > > >out.  I put some more in and it too hissed out!  I put 11 PSI
> in
> > and
> > > it
> > > > > > >stopped leaking --- It was just air trapped between the tube
> and
> > the
> > > > rim
> > > > > > >pushing out through the valve stem hole in the rim!  The
> second
> > tire
> > > > did
> > > > > > >exactly the same thing - it didn't panic me this time.
> > >
> > >
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