[AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins

Thu Sep 9 17:09:56 PDT 2004

Mark-
Sounds like you know Copley!
Manlius, NY is near SE of Syracuse and in a general sense along I90 about
half-way between Albany and Buffalo.  It is about 360 miles from Copley
Ohio.

Potsdam, NY, the home of the Clarkson University Golden Knights, is about
150 miles northeast of Syracuse.  It is closer to Ottawa Ontario by quite a
bit.  Potsdam is a very lovely place this time of year for another week or
two.  While going to school there it snowed at least a little every
September and I can remember walking a mile to class at -40 F in January.
My rule of thumb was that you should wear your thermal underwear for a walk
that long if it gets lower than -20 F.  Warmer than that didn't require more
than the normal jacket and ear mittens.  You get acclimated to the weather
and very few germs can live at those temperatures :-).  The natives tended
to take their car batteries to bed with them in Jan-Feb.
Carl Gogol
Manlius, NY
(2) AC D-14, AC 914H
Simplicity 3112 & 7116
Kubota F-2400

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins

> Carl,
> I bought my Farmall 140 about 12 years ago from an old guy in Copley who
had
> a small truck farm on route 261. He was in his 70's then and in failing
> health so he gave up the vegetable business. My aunt and uncle live just
> south of there in Norton and my wife's great Grandma lived in Copley. I
> don't know of any tractor shows coming up in this area this fall. Where in
> NY is Manilus? I have an uncle in upstate NY (Pottsdam area) who I'd like
to
> go visit one day.
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
>
>
> > Mark-
> > My son and his wife currently live in a suburb of Akron, Copley.  We had
a
> > nice visit and expect to make quite a few more - especially when the
> > grandchildren start arriving.  I am hoping as time goes on to find some
> > tractor related stuff in the area, but it looks like all of the tractor
> > shows are held in the western part of the state.  I don't know if we
will
> > make it back before Christmas, but they have already said the last time
> they
> > will be coming home for a while will be Thanksgiving, Angela will not be
> in
> > condition to travel much after that.
> > Sounds like we should cross paths some time when we are out there again.
> or
> > is there an eastern Ohio show coming up sometime soon?
> > Carl Gogol
> > Manlius, NY
> > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > Kubota F-2400
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mark Greer" <greerfam at raex.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> >
> >
> > > I work in Akron. What brought you here from NY?
> > > Mark Greer
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > >
> > >
> > > > We took a trip to Akron, Ohio soon after posting the original note,
so
> I
> > > > haven't been around to answer any comments.  Antifreeze in the first
> > drum
> > > > tested to -40F (or was it -50?) - it floated all 5 balls in the
tester
> > so
> > > it
> > > > was really potent stuff.  Didn't test the second one, it looked a
> little
> > > > greener than the first, but that just might have been cleaner.  I
> guess
> > we
> > > > tend to make sure we have plenty of protection in our cars around
> here!
> > > >
> > > > I have one of the fancy transfer valves, but because of the way I
was
> > > > transferring there should have been a shutoff valve between it and
the
> > > > pressure line from the drum.  Then it could work as advertised.  I
> just
> > > used
> > > > it for the adapters.
> > > >
> > > > When I started transferring liquid, I was extremely cautious on the
> > first
> > > > few pressurizations.  Most of the transfer took place at 3 to 3.5
PSI.
> > I
> > > > inched up to 5 PSI at the start of the second drum as it was nearly
> full
> > > and
> > > > had little room for air.  Figured the worse it would do is make a
> mess,
> > > and
> > > > I really wanted to see what it would take.  I don't know what the
> drums
> > > will
> > > > really take since grandpappy never let me real close to the still
when
> I
> > > was
> > > > really young :-).  Figured 3-5 PSI had to be pretty safe considering
> the
> > > > shock and g forces that these have to take in normal handling and
> > > > transportation.  Your sensibilities and tolerance for
experimentation
> > may
> > > > vary.
> > > >
> > > > I understand the concern for pets, but my tractors spend most of
their
> > > lives
> > > > locked in the barn.  If a mouse drinks some, it saves on the costs
of
> > > > Warfarin.  The tires are all in excellent shape and there is very
> little
> > > > danger of them leaking any time soon.  It is another risk that I
> > > consciously
> > > > assume.
> > > > Carl Gogol
> > > > Manlius, NY
> > > > (2) AC D-14, AC 914H
> > > > Simplicity 3112 & 7116
> > > > Kubota F-2400
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "CEE VILL" <cvee60 at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:16 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sure sounds like a good deal, Carl.  How strong did the waste anti
> > > freeze
> > > > > test???  Probably at least 20 or 30 below?
> > > > >
> > > > > Charlie V.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "carl gogol" <cgogol at twcny.rr.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > > ><at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > >Subject: [AT] Tire ballast - antifreeze wins
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:12:16 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Last winter I solicited opinions from the list concerning tire
> > ballast.
> > > > I
> > > > > >finally took the plunge yesterday and decided that I had enough
> time
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > >the job.  I called up a local junkyard, er recycler, and asked
him
> > how
> > > > much
> > > > > >for 90 gallons of old antifreeze solution.  He asked me what it
was
> > for
> > > > and
> > > > > >when I told him he commented that, "you don't need good stuff -
> come
> > > and
> > > > > >get
> > > > > >it - for free"!   I noticed quite a bit of oil on the surface of
> the
> > > mix,
> > > > > >so
> > > > > >I made up a simple extraction / separation tool with a 3/4" pipe
> tee,
> > > > using
> > > > > >both a Schrader valve for pressurizing the barrel and a tube from
> > 1/2"
> > > > > >CPVC,
> > > > > >boring the normal male pipe adapter so the tube could pass
through
> > the
> > > > TEE
> > > > > >to within about 4" of the bottom of the drum.  This way I could
> pump
> > > the
> > > > AF
> > > > > >from under the oil by slightly pressuring the 55 gallon drum.  I
> > found
> > > > the
> > > > > >drums could take at least 5 PSI and then pushed the AF into the
> > tubes.
> > > I
> > > > > >had to disconnect and let the air out of the tractor's tube 4-5
> times
> > > to
> > > > > >get
> > > > > >the level to 80% full.  A bit time consuming, but got them both
> full
> > in
> > > > > >about 3 hours.  Got a system down and the second one took half as
> > long
> > > as
> > > > > >the first.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tried the tractor using the loader and it easily pushed the 6'
> blade
> > > into
> > > > a
> > > > > >pile of rocks and sod, digging a good bucket load that it just
> > wouldn't
> > > > > >have
> > > > > >been able to do before.  I'm sure Calcium would have done a
little
> > > more,
> > > > > >but
> > > > > >this is a huge improvement.  I may go get another 2 drums and
fill
> > the
> > > > > >other
> > > > > >D-14 and then take the steel wheel weights and put them on the
> loader
> > > > > >tractor too.  I think that will result in a very satisfactory
> loader
> > > > > >tractor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Only one bit of excitement, when I repressurized the first tire,
I
> > was
> > > > sure
> > > > > >the valve stem was leaking.  After  putting some air in, there
was
> a
> > > > > >hissing
> > > > > >sound.  At first it was very depressing as I thought I would have
> to
> > > take
> > > > > >it
> > > > > >all out and get a new tube.  I put some more air in and again it
> all
> > > > leaked
> > > > > >out.  I put some more in and it too hissed out!  I put 11 PSI in
> and
> > it
> > > > > >stopped leaking --- It was just air trapped between the tube and
> the
> > > rim
> > > > > >pushing out through the valve stem hole in the rim!  The second
> tire
> > > did
> > > > > >exactly the same thing - it didn't panic me this time.
> >
> >
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