[AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641

Thu Sep 9 15:52:46 PDT 2004

Hi Mike,  I haven't been folowing this thread and for that matter I'm not 
sure what size engine your 1641 has.  However, I'm assuming it is a 10 to 15 
hp air cooled?   Some of those engines have an automatic compression release 
that won't release the compression if the oil is real dirty or if the 
mechanism gets gunked up.  When the compression release doesn't work the 
starter doesn't have enough torque to turn the engine over.

This might not apply in your case.  Just  a suggestion to consider.
If it doesn't help just ignore.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641

> Pull the starter off?!!! What genius designed this. I tried to get a
> socket on the two starter bolts, but the heat shield is too close to
> allow a socket to fit. I did notice tonight while looking at the starter
> that the starter gear did move when I turned the ignition switch,
> indicating I have some power to the starter. I also removed the battery
> cables again and scraped them shiny and clean with a razor blade. I then
> took out the plugs and spun the engine over, it was free as can be. I
> assume this rules out the electronic clutch being hung up, which I did
> have happen once before.  I'm leaning toward a battery that is FUBR.
>
> Thanks again,
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:20:04 -0500 "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> writes:
>> Try rotating the crank, Mike, or try to get at the starter motor
>> shaft
>> to check it for freedom of movement.  But even if you find it
>> stuck,
>> don't despair until you've had a chance to pull the starter off for
>> an
>> up close and personal inspection.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike S
>> Meulenberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:58 PM
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>>
>> I'll give it a try Larry, although I don't like the idea of the
>> crank
>> being stuck, I can always hope for the best.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:43:23 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
>> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> writes:
>> > Pull the starter, Mike.  If it won't turn over with a direct
>> > connection
>> > to the lug on the side of the starter motor, there's a real
>> problem.
>> >  I
>> > found a mower like this once (it happened to be at a Cub Cadet
>> > dealership) where the crank was actually stuck.  The dealer was
>> > convinced that the engine had a broken piston in it and cut me a
>> > real
>> > deal on it.  When I got it home, I found all that had happened was
>>
>> > that
>> > the plastic starter gear had sheared off a couple of teeth and
>> they
>> > had
>> > jammed in the flywheel.  It cost me something like 68 cents to
>> > repair
>> > the thing.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike S
>> > Meulenberg
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:13 PM
>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>> >
>> > Ok,
>> > Here's what I tried tonight. I took apart the battery connections
>>
>> > just
>> > to
>> > be sure their was no corrosion. I checked the plug on the back of
>> > the
>> > ignition switch, and there was no melting of any kind. While I was
>>
>> > doing
>> > this, I had the battery on a charger to get it fully charged. I
>> put
>> > everything back together and tried the jumper method. Here are
>> the
>> > results all done with the key off:
>> >
>> > 1. Positive bat. terminal to the first terminal on the solenoid -
>>
>> > no
>> > cranking plenty of sparks
>> > 2. Positive bat. terminal to the second terminal on the solenoid -
>>
>> > no
>> > cranking still plenty sparks
>> > 3. Positive bat. terminal directly to the starter lug - sparks,
>> no
>> > cranking.
>> > Did I do something wrong here?
>> > I also pulled the battery out of my truck and hooked it up the
>> best
>> > I
>> > could, solenoid fluttered, only much faster. Any other ideas, I'm
>>
>> > glad I
>> > have a backup mower....
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:49:41 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
>> > <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> > writes:
>> > > Umph.  You're right, Steve.  I had forgotten about the "melted
>> > > connector" problem.  I've run into several of them on Cub
>> Cadets.
>> > >
>> > > Larry
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>>
>> > W.
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:32 PM
>> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>> > >
>> > > Mike,
>> > >  Common problem on the Cubs is the connector on the back of the
>>
>> > > ignition
>> > > switch. They tend to melt. My 1641 had melted the plastic
>> > connector
>> > > to
>> > > the point that the battery didn't charge and the tractor would
>> > just
>> > > die
>> > > without warning. What you do is pull the battery out, reach in
>> and
>> >
>> > > pull
>> > > the connector off the back of the switch. You will probably find
>>
>> > > the
>> > > plastic is fried. All is not lost though. The outer plastic is
>> the
>> >
>> > > same
>> > > as the one used on the PTO switch. On mine the three places for
>>
>> > the
>> > > PTO
>> > > connections were fine and I just pulled the spade connectors out
>>
>> > > using a
>> > > small screwdriver to release them and swapped the plastic
>> shields
>> > > around, make sure you clean the connectors good and remove the
>> > > switch
>> > > and clean up the rusty connectors on the back as well. When you
>>
>> > put
>> > > them
>> > > back together it is a good idea to use some grease to keep it
>> > from
>> > > occurring again. Also I swapped out the inline blade fuse holder
>>
>> > > since
>> > > the connections in it were not in good shape either.
>> > > If you need any other info just holler. I have the FSM and
>> parts
>> > > listings for the 1641 and all most attachments as well.
>> > >
>> > > Steve Williams
>> > > Near Cooperstown NY
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > > From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
>> > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:03 PM
>> > > Subject: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Hi All,
>> > > > I have an interesting problem with my mowing tractor, a Cub
>> > Cadet
>> > > 1641. I
>> > > > was mowing with the tractor, and shut it off, when I went to
>> > > restart
>> > > it ,
>> > > > all I got was a rapid clicking sound from the solenoid next to
>>
>> > > the
>> > > > battery. I've checked all the grounds I could find, and
>> cleaned
>> >
>> > > them
>> > > up,
>> > > > still the problem persists. The voltage reading across the
>> > > battery
>> > > > terminals is 12.07 v. The battery had been getting weaker for
>>
>> > the
>> > > last
>> > > > several weeks, sometimes requiring a jump to start the
>> tractor.
>> > I
>> > > tried
>> > > > charging the battery, as well as jumping the tractor from my
>> > > truck
>> > > with
>> > > > no success. I called the dealer's service dept. and they
>> thought
>> >
>> > > it
>> > > might
>> > > > be an ignition switch, or a bad ground.
>> > > > I'm not sure how to test an ignition switch. Any thoughts.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks much,
>> > > > Mike
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