[AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
Mike S Meulenberg
msm10301 at juno.com
Wed Sep 8 20:25:38 PDT 2004
Pull the starter off?!!! What genius designed this. I tried to get a
socket on the two starter bolts, but the heat shield is too close to
allow a socket to fit. I did notice tonight while looking at the starter
that the starter gear did move when I turned the ignition switch,
indicating I have some power to the starter. I also removed the battery
cables again and scraped them shiny and clean with a razor blade. I then
took out the plugs and spun the engine over, it was free as can be. I
assume this rules out the electronic clutch being hung up, which I did
have happen once before. I'm leaning toward a battery that is FUBR.
Thanks again,
Mike
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:20:04 -0500 "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
writes:
> Try rotating the crank, Mike, or try to get at the starter motor
> shaft
> to check it for freedom of movement. But even if you find it
> stuck,
> don't despair until you've had a chance to pull the starter off for
> an
> up close and personal inspection.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike S
> Meulenberg
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:58 PM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
>
> I'll give it a try Larry, although I don't like the idea of the
> crank
> being stuck, I can always hope for the best.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:43:23 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
> <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> writes:
> > Pull the starter, Mike. If it won't turn over with a direct
> > connection
> > to the lug on the side of the starter motor, there's a real
> problem.
> > I
> > found a mower like this once (it happened to be at a Cub Cadet
> > dealership) where the crank was actually stuck. The dealer was
> > convinced that the engine had a broken piston in it and cut me a
> > real
> > deal on it. When I got it home, I found all that had happened was
>
> > that
> > the plastic starter gear had sheared off a couple of teeth and
> they
> > had
> > jammed in the flywheel. It cost me something like 68 cents to
> > repair
> > the thing.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Mike S
> > Meulenberg
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:13 PM
> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> >
> > Ok,
> > Here's what I tried tonight. I took apart the battery connections
>
> > just
> > to
> > be sure their was no corrosion. I checked the plug on the back of
> > the
> > ignition switch, and there was no melting of any kind. While I was
>
> > doing
> > this, I had the battery on a charger to get it fully charged. I
> put
> > everything back together and tried the jumper method. Here are
> the
> > results all done with the key off:
> >
> > 1. Positive bat. terminal to the first terminal on the solenoid -
>
> > no
> > cranking plenty of sparks
> > 2. Positive bat. terminal to the second terminal on the solenoid -
>
> > no
> > cranking still plenty sparks
> > 3. Positive bat. terminal directly to the starter lug - sparks,
> no
> > cranking.
> > Did I do something wrong here?
> > I also pulled the battery out of my truck and hooked it up the
> best
> > I
> > could, solenoid fluttered, only much faster. Any other ideas, I'm
>
> > glad I
> > have a backup mower....
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:49:41 -0500 "Larry D. Goss"
> > <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> > writes:
> > > Umph. You're right, Steve. I had forgotten about the "melted
> > > connector" problem. I've run into several of them on Cub
> Cadets.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>
> > W.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:32 PM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > Common problem on the Cubs is the connector on the back of the
>
> > > ignition
> > > switch. They tend to melt. My 1641 had melted the plastic
> > connector
> > > to
> > > the point that the battery didn't charge and the tractor would
> > just
> > > die
> > > without warning. What you do is pull the battery out, reach in
> and
> >
> > > pull
> > > the connector off the back of the switch. You will probably find
>
> > > the
> > > plastic is fried. All is not lost though. The outer plastic is
> the
> >
> > > same
> > > as the one used on the PTO switch. On mine the three places for
>
> > the
> > > PTO
> > > connections were fine and I just pulled the spade connectors out
>
> > > using a
> > > small screwdriver to release them and swapped the plastic
> shields
> > > around, make sure you clean the connectors good and remove the
> > > switch
> > > and clean up the rusty connectors on the back as well. When you
>
> > put
> > > them
> > > back together it is a good idea to use some grease to keep it
> > from
> > > occurring again. Also I swapped out the inline blade fuse holder
>
> > > since
> > > the connections in it were not in good shape either.
> > > If you need any other info just holler. I have the FSM and
> parts
> > > listings for the 1641 and all most attachments as well.
> > >
> > > Steve Williams
> > > Near Cooperstown NY
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike S Meulenberg" <msm10301 at juno.com>
> > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:03 PM
> > > Subject: [AT] OT-Problem with Cub Cadet 1641
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I have an interesting problem with my mowing tractor, a Cub
> > Cadet
> > > 1641. I
> > > > was mowing with the tractor, and shut it off, when I went to
> > > restart
> > > it ,
> > > > all I got was a rapid clicking sound from the solenoid next to
>
> > > the
> > > > battery. I've checked all the grounds I could find, and
> cleaned
> >
> > > them
> > > up,
> > > > still the problem persists. The voltage reading across the
> > > battery
> > > > terminals is 12.07 v. The battery had been getting weaker for
>
> > the
> > > last
> > > > several weeks, sometimes requiring a jump to start the
> tractor.
> > I
> > > tried
> > > > charging the battery, as well as jumping the tractor from my
> > > truck
> > > with
> > > > no success. I called the dealer's service dept. and they
> thought
> >
> > > it
> > > might
> > > > be an ignition switch, or a bad ground.
> > > > I'm not sure how to test an ignition switch. Any thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much,
> > > > Mike
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