[AT] OT Barn floor question

Fri Oct 22 05:14:14 PDT 2004

That's right.  I should have remembered that.  There is a mill in NE NC that 
specializes in Cypress and Juniper.  Right now I can't remember the name but 
if you want to contact them let me know and I'll find out for you.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
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> I'm in Evansville, Indiana, Charlie.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I forget where you are located.   Around here cypress and juniper is
> still
> available and while it is a bit pricey it will last for a long time.
> Juniper is similar to cypress in it's weatherability and rot resistance
> but
> is lighter.  Juniper is something of a regional name and I think it is
> the
> same stuff as Northern White Pine or something they call pine up in the
> N/E.
>
> I never built or even messed with  a windmill but I know what to build
> boats
> out of.  I can't imagine why anyone recommended poplar unless it is
> different poplar than we have here or for use in a much drier region.
> In
> our humidity and heat poplar wouldn't last 2 years I bet.   It makes
> nice
> furniture  though!
>
> Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
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> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>
>
>> Thanks, Charlie -- and everybody else who has chimed in.  When I
>> restored this windmill the FIRST time, I was led to believe that there
>> were two woods that were preferred -- cedar and poplar.  I had both
>> available, but chose to use poplar because it's a LOT clearer.  BTW-
>> this advice came from a windmill historical and restoration group.  I
>> figured they knew what they were talking about.  Well as it turns out,
>> there probably isn't a worse wood to use for exterior work than
> poplar,
>> and that's what I used.
>>
>> The whole thing fell apart in about five years.  Now I've got to start
>> from scratch and do it all over again.  In talking with a wood worker
>> this week, he recommended redwood or cedar.  I don't like either one.
>> Redwood splits too easily, and cedar has too many knots.  I really
> would
>> prefer teak or cypress.  Now, I'm talking BIG BUCKS!
>>
>> What I'm more likely to do is to use the treated lumber that Lowe's
> and
>> Home Depot sell for deck construction.  There was no way I would have
>> considered this material when I was employed at the university and
> using
>> their wood shop for all the mill work --- no way to isolate the area
> to
>> protect people and the environment from arsenic.  But I have a contact
>> with a complete woodshop with filtered dust collectors on everything.
>> If he'll work with me to do the resawing and other operations in his
>> shop, then I may go that route.  I wanted some feedback on the
> synthetic
>> stuff so I would know whether or not that's a viable option.  It
> sounds
>> like it isn't.  I don't want the salt treated lumber either.  That's
>> what I had in the floor of my trailer, and it didn't last.
>>
>> I notice that Home Depot is now posting a safety sheet by the bins
> where
>> they store their treated lumber.  It's kind of a consumer's edition of
>> an MSDS and gives all the precautions to be followed in working with
> the
>> arsenic-treated stuff.
>>
>> Does anybody have a good source for cypress?  THAT'S what I really
> would
>> like to use.  I doubt very much that I would ever find locust or Osage
>> Orange in a form and in enough quantity to do the job.
>>
>> FWIW, the windmill is a Flint & Walling model 26 on a 35-foot steel
>> tower.  Ten-foot diameter wheel, seven-foot tail.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie
> hill
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:13 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>
>> Larry,  I was looking at some of that stuff yesterday.  It was used
> for
>> parking pads at some beach cottages where there are restrictions on
> how
>> much
>> ground can be covered by concrete or asphalt.  The decking has been
>> there
>> for a few years and it doesn't seem to be weathering any better than
>> salt
>> treated wood.   Some of the boards are starting to warp and twist a
> bit.
>>
>> Also, a friend of mine used the stuff extensively for decks and
> benches
>> off
>> the rear of his new house.  (now about 5 years old)  I was over there
>> last
>> year and noticed that I could drag my finger nails over the decking
>> lightly
>> and scrape the surface off.  It appears that UV has begun to attack
> the
>> surface.
>>
>> I'd think you would be better off with cedar or juniper for your
>> windmill.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
>> To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>
>>
>>> What's your experience with it, Warren?  Seriously, I MAY want to use
>> it
>>> for some of the wheel and tail of a windmill.  If it can be machined
>> and
>>> still be impervious to weathering, it would be good for some parts.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of WF Smith
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:46 PM
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>>> Subject: RE: [AT] OT Barn floor question
>>>
>>>> I wonder how a floor made of the new synthetic decking material that
>>>> Home Depot and Lowe's has for sale would work?  It would let the
>> urine
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend that stuff for an outhouse, and that's putting
> it
>>> mildly.
>>>
>>> Warren
>>>
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