[AJD] Upper Water pipe on 1953 60??? - Typical antique tractor saga

Thu Oct 21 21:55:41 PDT 2004

Ken:

Thank you. A technique to remove the water pipe out of the castings is
exactly what I needed. I think I'm going to try to temporarily seal the leak
so that I can get some more running time on this tractor before I spend any
significant amount on replacement parts. Another ATIS list member has also
suggested that a piece of drive line tube will work as a replacement. 

I need to remove the hood and gas tank anyway to find out where the gas tank
leak is and try to fix it. That will allow me to get better access to the
upper water pipe and see if I can do a temporary fix on it too. 

Thanks again.

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
storeroom door 

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[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Kenneth Jones
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [AJD] Upper Water pipe on 1953 60??? - Typical antique
tractorsaga

Dean, 

      I am restoring a '59 -  530 and had to take the upper water pipe apart
in order to clean the castings.  I put one of the castings in a vice and
worked the pipe back and forth until it came out of the casting.  I then
repeated the process for the casting on the other end of the pipe.  I did
not use a wrench to twist the pipe out of the castings just my hands.  Sad
to say the upper pipe was very thin in the middle so I paid the $57 dollars
for a new one since any of the used ones that I found locally were really in
bad shape on the ends.  The "O" rings hold the pipe in the castings with the
friction created by the rings. If you would like, I would measure the ID &
OD of my new pipe if that would help..  I have been told that if I had those
dimensions, I could get a replacement at a drive live shop...Don't know it
that is correct but older wisdom gave me that suggestion..

Ken Jones

Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
Antique tractors make you pay if you ignore them for awhile. About a year
ago I picked up a 1953 60 that I thought was a parts tractor. As you may
recall it was stuck but had a bunch of valuable stuff on it. I was able to
break it loose and get it running but the starter was messed up so I had to
pull start it to get it running. 

Well it got put in the back of the shed and ignored since then however, I
did take the starter all apart and cleaned it up and the only thing that I
couldn't fix was the starter switch. I got a new one of those and finally
got around to adding that and everything worked great off the tractor. So
yesterday I installed it and it worked flawlessly when I got a good battery!
:-).

In the process I found out I've had two more 12 v batteries go south so went
and picked up a new one today. Installed it and the starter spun the tractor
over very well but it wouldn't start. No spark, points corroded, fixed that,
still wouldn't start. Gas stale, drained gas, put in new. Tried again,
popped right off and ran nicely. Shut it down quickly because I hadn't added
water yet. Filled the radiator with water and had a water leak I hadn't
observed before. Oh, I didn't tighten the plug good and tight, no leak there
any more but one next to it. Where is that coming from? Upper water pipe has
a rust through hole, water exiting onto block and head dripping next to
drain plug. @#$%^&. Oh joy. But the leak isn't bad enough to keep me from
running this for a bit. 

Filled radiator and then proceeded to try to start the tractor again. Engine
locks up starter Bendix gear makes terrible sound. Hand turn flywheel and
sure enough a hydraulic lock on the cylinders. Now what do I have a cracked
block or head or something? No water in it all last winter and it didn't
have this trouble before. Weird! Pulled plugs, sure enough both cylinders
full of gas not water. Haven't had this before either. Removed gas from
cylinders, pulled carburetor bowl to see if the float and needle was
shutting off gas properly. It wasn't. Removed float and needle from
carburetor while carburetor still on tractor. Didn't find anything wrong.
Blew seat clean with air and reassembled the carburetor. Now the float and
needle is working. Must have got some dirt in the needle/seat interface when
I drained the gas tank. Ok, now let's start this sucker again. 

Engage starter, terrible noise, Bendix gear having a tough time engaging
ring gear. A couple tries and it eventually engages and the tractor starts
right up. Gas tank has a leak as well but that I had observed before. So
with a gas tank leak and a water leak I took it for a short ride outside the
shop and put it back. All is cool. 

I need to find out what I did to the starter Bendix gear because the ring
gear doesn't look all that worn. Another project.

Finally now the question?

But I have a question on the upper water pipe section. JD still sells them
for a nice tidy sum of $57 plus two one dollar "O' ring gaskets. However, I
have never done this procedure before. I have read posts on ATIS where it
was mentioned that this pipe can be substituted with a common variety piece
of pipe. What diameter, ID and OD, and what material should the pipe be made
of? How is this pipe held in the two castings? Friction fit? If so how do
you get the pipe out of the two castings to replace the pipe? I would
appreciate input from anyone who has been down this road before. I guess one
could get a whole assembly from a salvage yard but one never really knows
how good that pipe might be either. Or maybe try to gas weld the hole in
the pipe if the hole isn't too big and it's not rusted out elsewhere. 

When I pull the hood to find the gas leak, I'll try to fix the upper water
pipe at the same time. I may be looking for a replacement gas tank as well.
Anyone have a good one to sell?

One step forward and two steps backward. 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
storeroom door 

www.deerelegacy.com

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