[AJD] 50 Hitch questions - AHA

[Dean VP]

Gordon:

AHA, I finally figured out what brackets you are referring to. DA 5933A & DA
5934A. The ones that are angle iron with a stud welded to them for mounting
the two lower draft arms on. I've got quite a few sets of them here but I
would have to check whether I have any extra's left over after configuring
complete hitches. I know where there is a set mounted on a tractor in
Southern Idaho. Unfortunately the tractor will need to be hoisted up in
order to get to them. I looked at them and wasn't willing to do the work to
get them off. Unfortunately, I don't think the salvage yard owner is
ambitious enough to do so either. Unfortunately he is lazier than I am.
Well, maybe if you offer him enough money!  :-) 

I'm not aware of anyone making these parts in the aftermarket. It really
wouldn't be that hard to do. The studs would have to be turned and threaded.
That would require a mill. 

I can offer a set for pattern making if you want to do that.  Or take a
bunch of measurements if that would help. These brackets have to be really
sturdy as they take a lot of abuse. I've seen these brackets aided by braces
to the axle to give them more strength. 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

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-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Gordon Hart
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [AJD] 50 Hitch questions

Are the Brackets I spoke of earlier sold aftermarket. I supect the PO cut or
drilled a larger hole in the drawbar assembly and installed a hitch pin like
you buy for brush hog connections to 3pt.

Gordon

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Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AJD] 50 Hitch questions


> Gordon:
>
> Ok, now I understand. I'm a little slow!  :-)  As soon as you mentioned
> P838A I knew exactly what the issue was. The fork legs on the P838A's have
> been spread apart by being stressed when the two lower draft arms swing
out
> too far. This happens when the anti-sway chains are not used or connected.
> In my experience the legs on the P838A's will spread, then crack and
> eventually break off. The space between the two legs should be only a
little
> bit wider than the draft arm ear they fit around. The pipe spacers have
been
> added as a farmer expediency fix.
>
> The two legs of the P838A fork can be brought back to where they should be
> but I would recommend that it be done by preheating in a very hot oven so
> that the cast iron doesn't crack or break. Of all the pieces of the hitch
> the P838A's are probably the ones with the highest incidence of being
> cracked or welded other than the lower draft arms themselves.
>
> Apparently P838A's are still replaced so often that JD still sells them
NOS.
> JD has them for a nice tidy sum of $71.00 each. "OUCH!" One of the few 800
> series hitch parts that still can be purchased from JD NOS. Installing the
> right length connecting pin and hairpin will also prohibit the legs from
> spreading too far. The PO probably lost the original pins and installed a
> bolt that was too small and too long allowing the legs to be spread.
>
> Two avoid damaging the P838A's again make sure the anti-sway chains are
> connected up properly to the drawbar before the hitch is used again.
> Reproduction chains, two small clevises and the two special large drawbar
> clevises setup are reproduced and sold for about $100 a set plus freight.
>
> Probably not entirely what you wanted to hear but it's one of the
weaknesses
> of the 800 series hitches. However, with the proper use of the chains and
> the right connecting pin, the P838A's won't get damaged.
>
> Finding good used P838A's is next to impossible. I have several 800 series
> hitches here and to make them whole again I have had to buy new P838A's as
I
> couldn't find non broken P838A's used. When one tries to restore an 800
> series hitch it is quickly learned why sellers of restored hitches need to
> get so much for them. Just to break even.
>
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Gordon Hart
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:50 AM
> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
> Subject: [AJD] 50 Hitch questions
>
> Dean
>
> Let me restate # 3 . The LH & RH Fork (P838A) is so wide where it connects
> to the ear on the front links ( DA5864A,DA5862A) that two pipe spacers
about
> 1/2" long had to be used on the pin( which on mine is a bolt) beside the
ear
> and between the fork.
>
> Gordon
>
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