[AT] Three point hitches and Dean's commentary

Sat May 22 08:21:15 PDT 2004

George:

I just knew I was going to step on some toes, especially yours. Oh, well at
least we got to hear from you again and that is good!  :-) I have been
trying to skip a few meals of potatoes and gravy this spring to reduce the
traction but still am pushing the 260 lb line. I would think that adding 260
lbs plus would help out a Cub tremendously. :-) And the CUB had the two rear
wheel weights installed too. Dang things are just the wrong color!  :-) I
must have been sitting on the grill. Never could understand a tractor where
the seat is offset!  :-) At least the grill is on the centerline of the
tractor. 

Ok, I haven't completely lost it relative to the Ford Jack arrangement. So
one lifts up on the three point which in turn lifts the tractor. Vely
intelesting! Not sure I have seen a real one of these jacks other than
pictures. But they are the wrong color too!  :-) 

My neighbor was over here with his Ford 8N helping me collect rocks on part
of my pasture a few years ago. Part of my pasture has a pretty good grade. I
had to pull him up the slope since the 8N was so light in the rear he
couldn't get up the slope. What is it about these red and grey tractors that
make them so light in the rear? And at the time he had had his fair share of
potatoes and gravy too! Must be they just don't have enough power to apply
to the rear wheels if they were weighted properly! God intended that farm
tractors have at least 70% of the weight on the rear wheels so they could do
something useful. At least drag a chain for show, at the minimum. :-) 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

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[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of George Willer
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] Three point hitches and Dean's commentary

Dean,

You're not dreaming... just mis-understanding.  The Ford jack used lifting
on the arms through a lever to raise the tractor.  I suppose they were handy
for swapping tires, since all 4 wheels were lifted at once.  I guess I
should have brought the one home that came with my 641.

As far as the Cub's usefulness is concerned, all 11 of mine are offended and
refuse to take the blame for the poor performance of yours.  They really are
hard to beat in the hands of a skilled operator who hasn't been skipping his
potatoes and gravy.  It requires some weight on the rear axle for traction!
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George Willer

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Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AT] Three point hitches and Dean's commentary

> Bob:
>
> Interesting info on the 40. I failed to mention that there is a single
> spring on the 20 and 30 series tractors to that pulls down on the rock
shaft
> arms but I wouldn't call it a very effective down pressure. The 800 series
> hitches didn't have this spring at all to pull down on the rock shaft
crank
> arms.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how effective this spring is in providing any really
> adequate down pressure on an implement such as a rear blade or something
> similar. A true hydraulic down pressure would be much more useful.
>
> I have owned three 1948 Cubs at one time and am down to one but if there
is
> any tractor that needs the improved traction performance of a three point
> hitch this is the tractor. The rear end of a Cub is really so light that
it
> is ineffective at pulling any kind of load. I got my lawn mower Garden
> Tractor stuck in the mud one spring and the stinking Cub couldn't get it
> out. Had to get a bigger tractor to pull it out.
>
> I recall that Ford sold an accessory that allowed the operator to use the
> three point as a jack. That implies down pressure on the three point. Am I
> dreaming that up?
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> What people can dream, people can do! George W. Bush
>
> www.deerelegacy.com
>
> http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> SEITHR at denison.edu
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 6:49 AM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] Three point hitches and Dean's commentary
>
> The JD 40 had ENORMOUS springs to create down pressure on the 3-point.
Also
> a
> draft-sensitive feature that could be turned on or off (with a wrench).
>
> The down pressure was enormously useful when using something like a Planet
> Jr.
> seed drill (for truck crops). It ensured positive contact between the
seeder
>
> and the ground. Using the same implement on, say, a small Ford or Ferguson
> ran
> the risk of skipping.
>
> My aftermarket 3-pt hitch on the Farmall Cub of course has pressure up and
> down, but no draft control whatsoever. I imagine trying to use it with a
> pick-up plow would be frustrating. Someday, I hope to fabricate a small
> pick-up disk for it, and I think that would probably work OK.
>
> Note for historical record: The "regular" Cub disk was a cute little 4 1/2
> foot double-acting trailer disk, which was probably pretty good, but
there's
>
> no way I could ever find a place to store such an animal. The Fast-Hitch
> version was a 4 1/2 or 5 foot single-action pick-up unit. Nice, but I
don't
> think many have survived, and I certainly don't have a fast hitch. No, my
> notion is, someday, to buy one of those bargain-type little pick up disks
> you
> find at TSC and other outlets and cut it down to fit the Cub.
>
> That's for when I find some cheap rental land near my place and can
indulge
> my
> fantasy of having a small produce farm. Good luck?
>
> Bob Seith
>
>
> Grant:
>
> Appreciate your comments and none of the two cylinder era three point
> hitches of any variety had power down that I am aware of. I'm not sure of
> the 40 through 430 series tractors but I doubt they had it. I know on some
> tractors the operator could use the three point as a jack. In fact I think
> Ford/Ferguson sold an accessory for this very function. I'm not familiar
> enough with the other manufacturer's products to know which had the power
> down feature. I surely can see where the power down feature would be very
> helpful at times.
>
> The load sensing feature was more important for the smaller tractors such
as
> the Ford/Ferguson and the JD 40. They tended to be light in the rear end
and
> the increase in traction provided by the three point was mandatory. That
> wasn't as critical on the larger Two Cylinder Row Crop tractors since the
> typical weight distribution was 70% to the rear. The early power lifts on
JD
> were either all down or all up. Then the power-trol allowed control of the
> in-between but no real closed loop depth control. That is why gauge wheels
> were required on the implements. Then the 20 Series tractors gave full
three
> point closed loop control and the gauge wheels were not needed as much.
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