[AT] Super MTA oil pressure

Thu Mar 18 06:52:48 PST 2004

If in fact the bushing did spin, I'd recommend Loctite's bushing and bearing 
"Locker."

I have some in the toolbox,  got it from Ed at HitnMiss.com

Good Luck
RickinMt.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure

> I'm not familiar with that engine Dick but I suspect it means taking the
> block to a machine shop.  There may be a way to do it in place.  I guess 
> it
> might be possible to remove the cam, re-drill the bushing and peen it into
> place so it doesn't spin again but that is just a guess.  Opinions anyone?
> Actually this would be a good question to take to the Farmall list.  I 
> don't
> know how many of those guys are hanging out here lately.
>
> Charlie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "D. Day" <ddss at scppd.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:18 AM
> Subject: RE: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
>
>
> > Will that be a major job to get to and fix?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie hill
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:55 AM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
> >
> >
> > Sounds like that cam bushing has turned  Dick.
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "D. Day" <ddss at scppd.net>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
> >
> >
> > > The oil passage that comes up through the block and head is stone dry.
> The
> > > cam wasn't touched.
> > >
> > > Dick
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink
> > > Sr
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:50 AM
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > Subject: RE: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just a brain fart but was the cam bearings replaced.????? If so the 
> > > oil
> > > delivery slot {hole] may have been turned wrong. Oil only getting to 
> > > cam
> > no
> > > further.
> > > R Fink
> > > PA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:23 PM 03/17/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >On the M, a portion of the oil delivered to the center camshaft 
> > > >bearing
> > is
> > > >metered through a slot in the camshaft journal and is carried through 
> > > >a
> > > >passage up to the rocker assembly. I believe the problem lies 
> > > >somewhere
> > in
> > > >that passage, although it does not appear to be plugged.
> > > >
> > > >I'll do as you suggest and see what happens.  Any idea why I'd be
> having
> > > >such high pressure?  It's a new gauge and it reads about the same as
> the
> > > old
> > > >one, so I would guess 70lbs accurate.
> > > >
> > > >Dick
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > >[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Robert L.
> > > >Holtzer
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:56 PM
> > > >To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > >Subject: RE: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >A good idea to do so.  Nothing seems to go back exactly as it comes
> off.
> > > >
> > > >Given the oil pressure (assuming your gauge is OK) it is difficult to
> > > >believe priming is necessary.  I'd be more concerned about obstructed
> oil
> > > >passages or perhaps gasket (frankly I can't recall about the rocker 
> > > >arm
> > > >stand gasket).  If you pull the rocker arms, I'd suggest cranking the
> > > >engine a bit (preferably with sparkplugs out) -- oil flow should be
> > evident
> > > >within a few cranks.
> > > >
> > > >Bob Holtzer
> > > >
> > > >At 09:00 AM 3/17/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> > > > >If I remove the rocker arm assembly to begin checking the oil
> passage,
> > > will
> > > > >it have to be re-adjusted when it's put back on?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks for the help,
> > > > >
> > > > >Dick
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > >[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of charlie
> hill
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:49 AM
> > > > >To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > > >Subject: Re: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Dick,  I can't tell you about the M engine but on my Allis engines
> you
> > > wish
> > > > >you were not standing near them.  They sling oil everywhere.  No
> > gussher
> > > >but
> > > > >more like a wet dog shaking.  Sounds like you have an oil passage
> > cloged
> > > on
> > > > >the way to the valve train.
> > > > >
> > > > >Charlie
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "D. Day" <ddss at scppd.net>
> > > > >To: "ATIS-New" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:32 PM
> > > > >Subject: [AT] Super MTA oil pressure
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > We just put the rebuilt head on the M and fired it up without 
> > > > > > the
> > > valve
> > > > > > cover in place so we could make sure oil is circulating through
> the
> > > >rocker
> > > > > > assembly.  How much oil should we see?  The engine oil was 
> > > > > > totally
> > > >drained
> > > > > > about a week ago. Tonight we filled it up and put a new filter 
> > > > > > on
> > > prior
> > > >to
> > > > > > starting it.  We ran it a few minutes and didn't see a 
> > > > > > significant
> > > >amount
> > > > >of
> > > > > > oil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Should we see a gusher or a trickle?  Since the engine sat dry 
> > > > > > for
> > so
> > > > >long,
> > > > > > will it take a while before oil reaches the head?  Oil pressure
> hit
> > > >about
> > > > >70
> > > > > > the second it was started and held there until we shut it off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dick Day Software Services
> > > > > > 83712 552nd Avenue
> > > > > > Norfolk, NE 68701
> > > > > > 402/379-1606
> > > > > >
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