[AT] Names that have become generic

George Willer gwill at toast.net
Wed Mar 31 21:40:33 PST 2004


Larry,

If I remember right, the 6SN7 was the same valve used in the power supply
for many super het receivers.  That number still rings a bell.

George Willer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Goss" <rlgoss at evansville.net>
To: "'Antique tractor email discussion group'"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [AT] Names that have become generic


> The problem is some of you guys are just too danged young.  You think
> that because you learned a particular name for a device when you were in
> school it must have always been named that.  My dad referred to "those
> things" as condensers when he was discussing electronics with me back in
> the late 40's.  He finally learned to call them capacitors when it
> became politically correct to do so.  That was sometime after he started
> working with transistors in the late 50's.  BTW- Dad never did learn to
> refer to AIEE instead of IEEE.  He called it the "eye triple-E" until
> the day he died.  In the mid-50's we called those things condensers when
> I started working as an electrician's assistant tuning and repairing
> Allen electronic organs.  In those days, the state-of-the-art for
> oscillators consisted of half of a 6SN7 vacuum tube coupled to a big
> hairy coil, a condenser, and a "pot."  Tuning an organ was a full day's
> work for two people; switching condensers in and out to get the
> frequency within range so the adjustment on the pot would bring it into
> tune.  We didn't like to change out the 6SN7's if we could avoid it
> because replacing one of those automatically affected two notes (not
> just one) and we'd have to do a lot of backtracking to retune notes we
> had already brought to the correct pitch.
>
> I only have to go back to the early 70's to find literature that
> officially calls those things "condensers."  And THAT happens to be on
> some tractor literature.
>
> [major soap box oration deleted]
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Brian
> VanDragt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:58 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
>
> Condensation is when a gas changes state into a liquid.  I've never seen
> liquid electricity, so I'll just call ignition condensers "electron
> concentrators" from now on.  Absolute zero is too cold for me to stand
> around and watch electricity freeze. :-)
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert L. Holtzer" <rholtzer at earthlink.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
>
>
> > There is condensation in the sense that electrons are stored in a
> > relatively small area.  Otherwise, condensation might truly occur near
> > absolute zero??
> >
> > Bob Holtzer
> >
> > At 06:27 PM 3/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Why is a condenser called a condenser?  It is actually a capacitor.
> It
> > >stores an electrical charge and acts as a buffer, but how can one
> "condense"
> > >electricity? :-)
> > >
> > >Brian
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tim Bivens" <bivenshill at yahoo.com>
> > >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:39 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > >
> > >
> > > > George,
> > > > Are you pulling our leg here? LOL. It only makes sense
> > > > to me for it to be called a starter since it "starts"
> > > > the engine. In the same sense a generator is called a
> > > > generator because it generates, a condenser is called
> > > > such because it condenses and so forth. Isn't commence
> > > > just a synonym for start? Why would one be more
> > > > correct than the other? Might be just as correct to
> > > > call it a "cranker". I am sure the word "start" was
> > > > around a long time before Charles Kettering. Whether
> > > > you are pulling our legs or not I am getting a big
> > > > laugh out of this.
> > > >
> > > > Tim Bivens, Glen Rose, Texas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- George Willer <gwill at toast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Dean,
> > > > >
> > > > > The first one I thought of is the starter.  It was
> > > > > invented by Charles
> > > > > Starter Kettering and takes his middle name.  The
> > > > > proper name is
> > > > > "commencer".  :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > George Willer
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> > > > > To: <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:21 AM
> > > > > Subject: [AT] Names that have become generic
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I was doing some parts hunting today and ran
> > > > > across an item that I
> > > > > > automatically called a starter "Bendix". However,
> > > > > that isn't really the
> > > > > > correct name. It's the name of one of the
> > > > > companies that makes or made
> > > > > them.
> > > > > > It reminded me of some other items like the name
> > > > > Kleenex that is used for
> > > > > > all similar type items.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a manufacturers dream to get that kind of
> > > > > name recognition. What
> > > > > other
> > > > > > antique tractor parts besides "Bendix" have
> > > > > achieved that status?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > > > > > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CRS = Having a Photographic Memory but a shortage
> > > > > of unused film.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www.deerelegacy.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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