[AT] Grain Binders and nudity....

Tue Mar 2 08:42:57 PST 2004

It's really not simple, Cecil. In fact, it's not even close to being 
that simple.

Like most librarys and archives, the Society doesn't own the copyright 
or the trademark to the material it owns. Copyright and trademark 
reside in the author or the company for whom the author worked, but in 
this case, the Society has written permission to use them. Think about 
a library which has a best seller on the shelves. The public owns the 
copy, but obviously that doesn't make the book public domain. In fact, 
the Society had negotiate with Case to print T-Shirts for sale during 
the poster display some years ago, since Case owns the trademarks, 
which esentially don't expire like copyrights. And there are plenty of 
images on the site that are still in copyright. Do you really want to 
wait 50 years for the copyright to expire before you can see the 
images?

In some instances, the Society doesn't own the only version in 
existance- catalog covers, for instance. However, the Society has put 
in the time and effort to scan them, retouch them in some instances, 
and mount them. The tag is a way of protecting the Society's efforts.

The problem with copyright is that you have to enforce it. That takes 
lawyers, and quite frankly, the Society, and the State of Wisconsin, 
simply doesn't have the resources. There have been instances of piracy 
involving IH materials coming from the archives, and enforcement 
resources were a major issue.

I have already seen instances where the images currently going up are 
being used in a format where your copyright C simply would not be 
visable, but the tag is. Thumbnails are a great example- I've seen 
them pop up on other sites within hours of the Society's images going 
up.

The Society is in pretty desperate straghts. The public, through the 
legislature, is telling the Society to raise it's own funds. In fact, 
legislators have proposed charging attendence fees to the library and 
archives, which have been open to the public free for over 150 years. 
These same legislators have been trying to get the society to charge 
admission to the website itself. Putting up with that banner is in 
fact a small price to pay, if it prevents even more nasty ways of 
generating revenue, or the closing of the archives altogether, which 
is a possibility that has been mentioned.

> 	As I said in my post, Rick, a simple letter "c" in a circle 
would
> indicate copyrighted material, not that it is needed any more, and 
would
> be enough protection. There was no need to put that large banner 
over the
> scans. I read the posts about that character copying files and then 
selling
> them over the Internet but think it was an isolated case that could 
have
> and should have been stopped with a quick email to ebay. They are 
quick
> to act on copyright issues, as they should be. We will always have 
criminals
> among us who don't care for our laws and they can be handled 
accordingly.
> I have only ever had several people try to cheat me or steal from me 
in
> my lifetime and they have been well taken care of.
> 
> Cecil
> 
> Richard Strobel wrote:
> > I think it's a great idea Cecil.  Recently a SAEG across the pond 
was 
> > putting old engine manuals on his website for everyone to use.  
Then he 
> > found someone copying them and selling them on ebay.
> >     IMO, museums, historical societies, need all the help they can 
get with 
> > NG interest falling off.  This is meant to stop the selfish 
copying and 
> > reselling of the article.  And of course they realize that anyone 
with 
> > photoshop can get the watermark off, but it would be time 
consuming.  At 
> > least they're nice enough not to put it diagonally across the pix. 
like 
> > some.
> > 
> >   Keep up the good work WHS!!!  I get a lot of thank you's when I 
mention 
> > your fantastic site.  And thanks to the volunteers also.
> > 
> > ttfn
> > RickinMt.
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Cecil E Monson" <cmonson at hvc.rr.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-
tractor.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Grain Binders and nudity....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>The idea of copying all these objects was a good one but
> >>speaking for myself, I cannot stand the idea of ruining all of
> >>these things with that idiotic "wisconsinhistory.org" sign across
> >>all of them. Any claim to copyright could have been done with a
> >>very small circled "C" in one corner and the images would have
> >>been protected as much as they are now. No one will ever be able
> >>to convince me that Wisconsin needs protection for this material.
> >>If it is owned by the State, the public already owns it.
> >>
> >>Cecil
> >>-- 
> >>The nicest thing about telling the truth is you never have to 
wonder
> >>what you said.
> >>
> >>Cecil E Monson
> >>Lucille Hand-Monson
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> what you said.
> 
> Cecil E Monson
> Lucille Hand-Monson
> Mountainville, New York   Just a little east of the North Pole
> 
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