[AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)

Tue Jul 13 13:56:26 PDT 2004

Oh don't go to any special effort Gil but I would like to see them if it is
convienient.

Charlie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gilbert Schwartz" <gschwartz1 at mchsi.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)

> Charlie; Getting some photos is now at the head of my "things to do" list.
> The daughter is about 2 1/2 hrs. closer than I am. I'm going to try to
> employ her assistance. Gil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)
>
>
> > Ok Gil,  I know exactly what you are talking about.  I've hauled lots of
> > rock in my earlier years and seen lots of quarry trucks.  I don't know
> that
> > I ever saw one with the Allis name on it.  I'd enjoy seeing the picture
if
> > you find it again.
> >
> > Is it possible it was something out of the Fiat-Allis partnership?
> >
> > Charlie
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gilbert Schwartz" <gschwartz1 at mchsi.com>
> > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)
> >
> >
> > > Charlie; I've looked thru that book and can't find this thing I've
> looked
> > > at. This outfit of which I speak isn't articulated and is nothing more
> > than
> > > a very large two axle dump truck. Around here we call them quarry
trucks
> > > because they're mostly used for hauling material from the face to the
> > stock
> > > pile, crusher, slag pile, etc. All within the job site. I didn't have
my
> > > camera with me or I'd have a picture. The thing isn't really that old
as
> > it
> > > has the later style Allis Chalmers decals on the engine hood. I'm
going
> to
> > > have some photos when I get back that way again. It's about 3 hours
away
> > > from my home but I do get that way every now and then. Gil
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor (grown up)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gil,
> > > >
> > > > I just checked.  Swinford's book _Allis Chalmers Construction
> Machinery
> > > and
> > > > Industrial Equipment_ has about 30 pages on AC earth movers.  The
last
> 2
> > > or
> > > > 3 pages of that section is about motor wagons and rear dump wagons.
I
> > > think
> > > > the machine you are talking about is pictured in that section.  One
of
> > the
> > > > machines is a 15 CY rear dump, articulated rig that looks like a pan
> > front
> > > > end (with a cab) and a big dump body cart on the rear end.   There
is
> > > > another with no cab that has a 22 CY dump box.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Gilbert Schwartz" <gschwartz1 at mchsi.com>
> > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Charlie; I'm sure you're right. It just seemed strange that Wendel
> > > didn't
> > > > > even mention the B-1, even when he listed a whole bunch of the
other
> B
> > > > > numbers. I really think there's quite a few errors/omissions in
the
> > > books,
> > > > > after all, Allis has been gone for a bunch of years and it seems
> they,
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > > company, weren't too dedicated to record keeping. I know there's
no
> > > > mention
> > > > > of an Allis Chalmers off road, industrial/construction dirt/rock
> > hauler
> > > > > truck comparable to the TEREX, but I know  where there is one. I
> think
> > > > it's
> > > > > just people like us who just keep running into such things.
> > > > >     I also know that I have a 7 h.p., 21inch, walk behind lawn
> mower,
> > I
> > > > know
> > > > > what it pulls like, and a 17 h.p. 42inch, ha. That 17 wouldn't
begin
> > to
> > > > pull
> > > > > a 60 inch. At least it wouldn't cutting anything. I guess it's
just
> a
> > > > matter
> > > > > of  machines being different. Gil
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "charlie hill" <chill8 at cox.net>
> > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gil,  the B 10 came after the B 1 according to Swinford.  I'm
> pretty
> > > > sure
> > > > > > that is right.  I just never saw a 7 1/4 hp Briggs.  7's yes, 7
> 1/2
> > > yes
> > > > > but
> > > > > > the 7 1/4 struck me as strange.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have Wendels book and all of Swinfords AC books.  Swinford is
> > > > generally
> > > > > > more accurate as far as I can tell.  That is not to kick Mr.
> Wendel.
> > > > His
> > > > > > book has been a good source of information too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlie
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "Gilbert Schwartz" <gschwartz1 at mchsi.com>
> > > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlie; I'm with you on that horsepower being a misprint. 3
> > > spindle,
> > > > 60
> > > > > > > inch just don't fit with 7 1/4 hp, at any speed.
> > > > > > > C.H. Wendel says the AC B10 was the earliest, built through
1968
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > > used
> > > > > > > a 9 h.p. B&S. Wendel's book also pictures one of the B10's
> working
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > 32 inch roto-tiller. That too sounds like a mighty big load
for
> a
> > 9
> > > > h.p.
> > > > > > > engine, especially if the tiller is in the dirt.
> > > > > > > Maybe the h.p. ratings are different now than in the 60's. Gil
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "Cecil E Monson" <cmonson at hvc.rr.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> > > > > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:46 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AT] Allis Chalmers B-1 lawn tractor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cecil,  according to what I can find the B-1 SHOULD have a
7
> > 1/4
> > > > hp
> > > > > > > Briggs
> > > > > > > > > and a 3 speed transmission with speeds of 2, 3.75 and 6
mph.
> > It
> > > > had
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > optional 50%  underdriven low speed drive.  Implements
> > available
> > > > > were:
> > > > > > > 42
> > > > > > > > > inch rotary mower,  60 inch 3 gang mower, 10 inch
moldboard
> > > plow,
> > > > > > > > > cultivator, disk harrow, 42 inch dozer blade, 42 inch
center
> > > mount
> > > > > > > grader
> > > > > > > > > blade, 32 inch tiller, snow thrower, and a sicklebar
mower.
> > It
> > > > was
> > > > > > made
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > Simplicity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Charlie
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Charlie. I will know more tomorrow but at least I
will
> > > have
> > > > > > > > a good idea what I should be looking for. I'm sure I will
have
> > > more
> > > > to
> > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > about this tomorrow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cecil
> > > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > > The nicest thing about telling the truth is you never have
to
> > > wonder
> > > > > > > > what you said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cecil E Monson
> > > > > > > > Lucille Hand-Monson
> > > > > > > > Mountainville, New York   Just a little east of the North
Pole
> > > > > > > >
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