[AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

Mon Dec 13 10:06:27 PST 2004

JR/Duane:

I don't need convincing. Now that you both have come to the same conclusion
I made in my original statement we now all agree. 

Dean A. Van Peursem
Snohomish, WA 98290

I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
storeroom door 

www.deerelegacy.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
Duane Larson
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 6:38 AM
To: Antique John Deere mailing list
Subject: Re: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

J. R.,
Thanks - now to convince Dean..
Have a Happy Holiday season!
>From the new Grandpa,
Duane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.R. Hobbs" <jrhobbs2004 at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
<antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights

> Duane,
>
> Think you nailed this one!
>
> JR
>
> Duane Larson <jdlarson at comcast.net> wrote:
> J.R. (and Dean),
> That agrees with my earlier statements. To summarize my thinking, the AR
> and AO were both available from the get-go with KW lighting kits
(consistent
> with J.R.s info and Repair Catalog 45R) When the AO was replaced with the
> AOS in 1937, no KW lighting was available for the AOS (consistent with 45R
> supplement). When the DR lighting systems became available "sometime in
> 1939 (?)", the AOS was in production (and still had no place for lights
with
> all the sheet metal) so the lighting systems were only for the AR
> (consistent with 47R). In 1941 when the AOS was discontinued and the "AO
> that looked like the AR" replaced it, DR lighting systems were available
for
> both the AR and AO (consistent with later parts catalogs).
> Duane
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.R. Hobbs"
> To: "Antique John Deere mailing list"
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
>
>
> > Wholesale Price List No.113 from the Moline Branch, dated November 1,
> 1936, lists the AA642R Electric Lighting Outfit for "AR" and "AO" Tractors
> 250000-up. I have seen a factory photo of a VERY early "AO" equipped with
> this lighting outfit. The generator was driven from the front of the
> fanshaft.
> >
> > Dean VP wrote:Duane:
> >
> > Check out page 47 in Repair Catalog 47-R about the middle of the page:
> >
> > Starting and Lighting Equipment- AR only
> >
> > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> >
> > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > storeroom door
> >
> >
> > www.deerelegacy.com
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
Of
> > Duane Larson
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:20 PM
> > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
> >
> > Dean,
> > Repair Catalog 45R (8/15/36) lists KW lighting outfits for the whole A
> > series, including the AR and AO, as well as the B series including the
BR
> > and BO. The AOS section of 45R supplement (3/15/38) does not list any
> > lighting equipment for it. The AOS serial numbers start with AO1000, and
> > are not included in the 250000-up scheme.
> >
> > Some AO/BO advertising I have which shows the AOS lists lighting for the
> BO
> > but not the AO(S). This would be consistent with 45R and the supplement.
> > As you point out, on the AOS(treamlined) it would be hard to find a
place
> > for lighting. And all KW lighting systems used 7" flat lens lights, best
> as
> > I can figure. I don't see where in 47R that lighting is for the AR and
> > excludes the AO, as it is listed under the AR-AO column and there are no
> (AR
> > ONLY) words like exist for some of the braking systems.
> >
> > Later date catalogs generally show what would fit, not what was
originally
> > available.
> >
> > Regarding your AO, if you have a fan with a friction disk (and not the
> > original rubber insert) I think the pulley was a part of it to provide a
> > place for the spring which loaded the friction clutch to reside against.
> >
> > Duane Larson
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dean VP"
> > To: "'Antique John Deere mailing list'"
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
> >
> >
> > > Chris:
> > >
> > > Whoa, just a moment. Let's make sure that I am quoted correctly. I
said
> > that
> > > the 1936 AO ORIGINALLY did not come out with the 7" flat lens lights
> > > (AB1199R) we were discussing. If one looks in Repair Catalog 47-R for
> the
> > AO
> > > dated 1940 these lights are only listed as being for the AR. Now
Repair
> > > Catalog 57-R for the 1936 AO dated 1943 also lists them as being only
> for
> > > the AR but along comes PC643 dated 1960 which lists 7" Flat lens
lights
> > for
> > > the 1936 AO serial number range but they are listed as AB3144R,
AB3145R
> > and
> > > AD2150R 7" Flat lens assemblies and shows them as being applicable to
> AO's
> > > serial numbers ( - 259999) which includes the 1936 AO w/o the
> > > restriction to the AR only. Confusing!
> > >
> > > Now to add to this mystery. The fan shaft on the early AR/AO's did not
> > > include a drive pulley for the generator and wasn't added until serial
> > > number (264644). This conflicts with the AR info above. However, there
> was
> > a
> > > fan with friction clutch upgrade assembly that could be installed on
the
> > > AO/AR's from 250000 on up (AA3673R) and I have allowed myself to
believe
> > > that upgrade kit included the generator pulley. Or the pulley that was
> > used
> > > on the KW lighting kits was used or ???. It is just too complex for
this
> > old
> > > mans head.
> > >
> > > To add further confusion, my 1936 AO has a belt pulley for the
generator
> > but
> > > no lights. The fan must have been updated on mine.
> > >
> > > I do know one wouldn't want to add these lights to a tractor that
didn't
> > > come from the factory this way. There are a lot of parts changes
besides
> > > adding the lights, battery and generator. And the real bottom line is
an
> > AO
> > > tractor was intended to be used in orchards and with lights sticking
out
> > > they wouldn't be there very long.
> > >
> > >
> > > But thanks for bringing this up. Remember I said I didn't know why
there
> > > were Chrome ringed 7" lights vs black ringed 7" lights. In the process
> of
> > > looking your info up I discovered why these two light different light
> > > assemblies exist. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > >
> > > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > > storeroom door
> > >
> > >
> > > www.deerelegacy.com
> > >
> > > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Chris C
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:39 AM
> > > To: ATIS LIST
> > > Subject: [AJD] Early Unstyled Lighting and AO Lights
> > >
> > > At our local two cylinder club holiday dinner
> > > yesterday, Dean and I had a conversation about 7"
> > > lights, and their use on my 1936 AO (sn 252268) Dean
> > > was of the opinion that my AO never had lighting as an
> > > option.
> > >
> > > I have PC 674, and it if fact, shows a generator,
> > > and light mounts for the serial number range of my
> > > AO, but when we get to lights, they are listed as AR
> > > Only until you get to serial number 259999. So, I
> > > gues Dean is correct.
> > >
> > > I ran into another guy at the show that is into
> > > Old D's, and in the back of his truck he had two
> > > generators.
> > > One was a prestolite, and I think the other was a
> > > bosch. He said that they are terribly hard to find,
> > > and that the earlier one (prestolite) would have been
> > > for optional lighting equipment on a Waterloo Boy or
> > > my 1927 D, and the later one would have been used on
> > > something like an Unstyled A, B etc...
> > >
> > > So to my questions, Lights for the AO? Yes or
> > > No? and does anyone have any further info on the
> > > early lighting equipment? He said that each of the
> > > generators he had were in the $1200 to $2500 price
> > > range as they were so hard to come by.. I don't know
> > > anything at all about them but it was very
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > (the other thing that caused me to chuckle at our
> > > banquet, I have had my AO listed for sale for 6
> > > months in the club newsletter... I was no longer
> > > listed in the one that came out a few weeks ago. At
> > > least 5 people came up to me wondering if I still had
> > > that AR for sale.. )
> > >
> > >
> > >
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