[AJD] 1st Tractor

Sun Dec 12 19:12:12 PST 2004

Dean,
Of cours, you are right.  I remember when we would mix a little naptha with kero
and run it in an A Model Ford.  Fuels and oils contribute much to todays engine
life.
Merle

Dean VP wrote:

> Merle:
>
> Ok, based on the following data from Duane's article from the University
> tests:
>
> "Tractor #2 (which I surmise is the D) provided the following results:
> Maximum of 46.34 hp on low-grade gasoline, 44.85 hp on kerosene, 44.15 hp on
> distillate, 42.26 hp on regular-grade gasoline, and 41.98 hp on
> premium-grade gasoline.  These results are as expected since the engines
> were designed for low-grade fuels."
>
> Then I draw the conclusion that since you were pulling an "All Fuel" based
> engine tractor, by using "high test", probably 87 octane gasoline, the
> tractor developed slightly less HP than when it was running on Kerosene.
> This is an interesting situation because the engine is designed to run
> low-grade fuels.  It would be interesting to compare the grades of gasoline
> of that era vs the grades we currently have at the pump. I suspect that what
> was called premium grade gasoline then, might be somewhat equivalent to what
> we call "regular", or 87 Octane today! I think the lowest grade gasoline I
> have seen at the pump recently is 85 Octane.
>
> I have learned in this discussion to have to be careful not to use the term
> gasoline generically. The regular gasoline we have today isn't equivalent to
> the low grade gasoline of the 40's. Today's lowest grade gasoline at the
> pumps we are familiar with is designed to be used with today's high
> performance, high compression engines.
>
> Now one could draw an erroneous conclusion here and that would be to try to
> run Kerosene in an engine designed to run best on gasoline and get an even
> higher HP out of it. That would be an incorrect extension of what has been
> learned here.
>
> Dean A. Van Peursem
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> storeroom door
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> Merle W. Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:59 PM
> To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> Subject: Re: [AJD] 1st Tractor
>
> Sstop and think about it alittle Dean.  Kero has more btu's per pound.
> Compression ratio has little affect on HP.  If you get good vaporization for
> ignition, the heavier the fuel, the more btu,s available.  One of the
> reasons
> for jet fuel over gasoline.  In the 60's we burned 90/96 avgas in the
> Shooting
> Star A/C because of ignition problems.  When the ignition problem was solved
> we
> switched to JP3 for 5% power increase.
> Merle
>
> Dean VP wrote:
>
> > Merle:
> >
> > Now that is really interesting. It has always been my understanding that
> the
> > all fuel JD's developed less HP when running on Distillate. Is Kerosene
> that
> > much different? Did your pull end due to running out of HP or traction?
> >
> > Now I'm really confused again.  Normal for me I guess!  :-)
> >
> > Dean A. Van Peursem
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> >
> > I'm a walking storeroom of facts..... I've just lost the key to the
> > storeroom door
> >
> > www.deerelegacy.com
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
> > Merle W. Johnson
> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:41 PM
> > To: Antique John Deere mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> >
> > For the fun of it, I made a 1st pull with an "A" on gasoline, 2nd pull on
> > kerosene.  Pulled 4 foot further on kero.
> > Merle
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > You queried:
> > >
> > > "I wonder how that "B" would do
> > > on 100 octane?"
> > >
> > > If it's an all fuel, It'd probably run better on JP-4!
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert M. Massengale [mailto:ltcmikem at ktc.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:59 AM
> > > To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > Subject: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> > >
> > > Dennis,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the welcome.  The Falcon 2000 is a nice aeroplane.  I
> > > thoroughly enjoyed my almost 30 years of flying for Uncle Sam, but
> > > always wished I had been born a generation earlier... P-51's, B-17's
> > > and all the other birds of that vintage hold me spellbound.  Now that
> > > I've hung up my spurs, I can focus on my other passion... old tools,
> > > old cars and old John Deere tractors.  I wonder how that "B" would do
> > > on 100 octane?
> > >
> > > I think Greg caught Santa at a bad moment... I asked for you too and
> > > got a "maybe".
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > Robert M. Massengale
> > > Fredericksburg, Texas 78624
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:02:23 -0600
> > > > From: "Cotton Family" <dcotton at coosahs.net>
> > > > Subject: RE: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> > > >
> > > > Mike , its good to know there is a fellow pilot on the list.. I drive
> > > > a Falcon 2000 for Netjets... I like going back in time from the glass
> > > > cockpit to the cast iron of my Deere... Dennis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > > > [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> > > > Of Frank Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 4:42 PM To: Antique John
> > > > Deere mailing list Subject: Re: [AJD] 1st Tractor
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > serious............you got a bunch of good advice from different
> > > > people.......put the all together and read through them and you will
> > > > have a good idea what things to do. Anyone who can drive a C141B can
> > > > handle it if you are careful........... any questions       you can
> > > > call me too .................just let me know and I will send you my
> > > > number. If you come to Red Lodge with it let me know ....I will come
> > > > look!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Frank
> > > > gremaux at tein.net
> > > > Central Montana
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/mt/deeregp/index.html
> > > Robert M. Massengale, Lt.Col. (Ret), USAF
> > > Order of Daedalians
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